ARE CENG AND IENG EQUAL IN STATUS

Anthony,

The CGLI discontinued this in Aug 2013.  Before that you could apply for Graduateship just by having IEng. 

Usually uts the other way, people get the degree and then register as IEng.

Universities and institutes change their possess but in the past the University of Wales would allow a top up degree.

I knew persons with C&G FTD who got in to final third year of BEng degree.  

I think you can check, email the admissions in other universities.

I will check as well.  A top up way is harder but more rewarding.  You will gain additional knowledge and earn a degree, its worth the effort.

All such applicants will be treated on an individual basis, and considered on the merit, not only for entry itself, but also for any form of accreditation of prior learning or Advanced Standing which might be appropriate. Having IEng in addition to FTC and experience can provide advanced entry.

Contact the universities on thiis list.

www.cityandguilds.com.hk/.../8030_electricaleng_v001_Dec10_LRweb.pdf.

Hello Moshe


I did not realise the IEng connection to CGLI when I looked at the graduateship years ago - you snooze - you lose!

Are you in the US? If so could I contact you directly? my email is ahbrooks1x@gmail.com.


Cheers

I hope the IET may take note of my post here. I found out yesterday(thanks to Moshe Waserman) that up until 2013 I could have applied for a CGLI GCGI on the the strength of my being an IEng. Sob!Sob! i now know how it feels to have a winning lottery ticket which has expired.

I had looked into that qualification about 14 years ago but had seen no indication of the IEng connection. Certainly the IET did not advertise this fact, which would have allowed me to point out that I had the equivalent of a BEng degree. Here in the US it is extremely difficult to explain foreign qualifications. I have always explained my City & Guilds was not a 4 year degree but more than a 2 year degree.

I assume I am not the only person who is an IEng without a degree (I have a CGLI Full Tech Certificate). What are the chances of the IET petitioning or negotiating with City & Guilds to do a 'one-off' for IEngs without degrees and advertise it strongly? They could go one further by using their computer databases to add it to the annual subscription renewal! Both organisations would make money(I would happily pay the IET a commission for organising things) and the IET especially would earn itself a lot of good will and positive thoughts from its members.

I am going to post this on a new thread in the hope that some with power and authority within the IET may feel moved to help IEngs in the same position that I am.

I have two LCGI, one GCGI and MCGI from City and Guilds and an earned accredited bachelors of technology degree in EE and other education.

Here is a link to C&G qualifications comparison and their academic value.  Equivalency can be established for employement or advanced standing 

in transferring the qualifications in to further higher education.

www.cityandguilds.com/.../qualification-comparisons


When evaluating a diploma such as Graduateship from City and Guilds one can get the academic equivalent from a service that specializes in credential evaluations.

In USA the service needs to be a member of NACES. Its function similar to that of NARIC UK.

People get credential evaluation mostly for employment, further education or immigration purposes. 

The general report of equivalency is sufficient for employment. In USA the GCGI in Engineering is evaluated as equivalent to Bachelors degree in Engineering from US University.

For further education majority of universities require detailed report with supplement/transcript.

In my case the evaluation was performed bya NACES member service senior evaluator who is international education professional whit 40 years of experience in graduate and undergraduate admissions and administration including US top university Business school, who served in leadership positions in NAFSA and AACRAO. The information used for the evaluation came from 

World Higher Education Database published by IAU, NAFSA a Guide to Educational Systems around the world, The New Country Index from International Education Research Foundation, The City and Guilds of London Institute web site as well.The evaluation conforms to the placement requirements that are generally accepted by accredited colleges and universities and members of NACES.

LCGI, GCGI don't come with supplement and to be accepted for further education is more challenging but possible.

Yes. I started out in the IIE.That is when I looked at the CGLI Licenciates. Their web site was a little better than it is now but I did not see anything that pointed out that they would award anything because of my IEng.They may have offered the IEng route after I stopped looking at their site. I was pretty desperate at the time when distance education in Engineering was almost non-existent with the exception of the OU and it was not open(excuse the pun) to the US. I I lived in a town where the local university did not have an Engineering department and the few classses it did offer were strictly 8-5, not at night.


With the information that Moshe has given I am disappointed that the IIE and IET have not done more to help the non-degreed IEngs. I doubt I am the only one in the situation. Finding out this sort of of potentially career-changing information on a forum rather than by direct contact by the organisation I pay to belong to and expect a bit of support from is disappointing to say the least.

I still think the IET should gather the names of the people like myself and talk to CGLI about a 'one-off' fix.

Anthony,


www.bvt-online.de/.../

If you are IEng maybe you can apply for the SCE certificate that states its a Professional Bachelors.

I'm told bya friend who earned his certificate - "This certificate in USA and other countries  recognized as equivalent to BEng degree".

I must say humbly that Its been for me a great honor to hold all 3 City and Guilds Senior Awards.
Founded in 1878 by the City of London and 16 livery companies – the traditional guardians of work-based training–to develop a national system of technical education, City & Guilds has been operating under Royal Charter (RC117), granted by Queen Victoria, since 1900.
The City & Guilds Senior Awards are offered under Royal Charter at the three levels of Licentiateship, Graduateship and Membership in recognition of academic ability and professional skills.
Its unique qualification that is offered by C&G in UK and its up to the receiving party to accept it or to reject it.
Not to long ego City & Guilds has worked closely with the Engineering Council (UK) in mapping the awards against the three levels for registration. As well as gaining a certificate and post nominal letters,

For many years university of Belfast used to facilitate the award of LCGI to it students that met the requirements including vocational apprentiantships, they had graduation ceremonies on a yearly basis and it was in addition or a part of the program so when students graduated they had both academic university credential and C&G Sr award.

The LCGI, GCGI and MCGI also have a graduation ceremony and special  hood and mortarboard of academic graduates.
 Each Graduate was called by name up onto the stage by the Director General of the City and Guilds to receive their Senior Award diploma from the Chairman of the City & Guilds. Honored guests on the stage included senior military officers and officials from other engineering institutions. Once the ceremony has finished, you leave the hall, enjoy a buffet lunch and have a chance to network with the other attendees. The afternoon ceremony lasts about four hours and you are free to take photographs both inside the hall and outside in the courtyard. The Engineering Institutions had a photo taken of all their members who had graduated for inclusion in an article in their official journals. 
The attainment of a City & Guilds Senior Award with the post nominal letters and attending the formal graduation ceremony gives you a great sense of personal achievement and inspires you to further success. 
The Licentiateship award LCGI is at a undergradute level and mapped to NVQ/IVQ level 4 and NationalQualifications Framework (NQF)
The Graduateship award GCGI is mapped to a British Honours degree and is level 6 on the National Qualification Framework (NQF)

The Membership award MCGI is mapped to a chartered professional level and British Masters degree and is level 7 on the National Qualification Framework (NQF) 


Someone shared their award ceremony on YouTube:

www.youtube.com/watch