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A new model of high-value engineering education

Following on from the UK Engineering Report 2016 (and the discussion of same in this forum) and the adequacy or not of current efforts to educate and train, and to encourage the registration of our future engineers, I am intrigued about a “new model in technology and engineering” (NMiTE http://www.nmite.org.uk). It is a new University that is to focus on the teaching of engineering.

In a recent press release, it says:  


“At NMiTE we believe that engineering education can be different.
We’re here to unlock the creativity and drive of Britain’s next generation – the Passioneers – the designers and builders, problem solvers and innovators who will shape our future.


We’re establishing a new model of high-value engineering education:


  • Creating a beacon institution to help address the engineering skills shortage that threatens to hobble the UK’s ability to compete globally.

  • With a new approach to learning – based on real-world problem solving and the blending of high quality engineering, design, liberal arts and humanities with communication and employability skills targeted at the growth sectors of the future.

  • Located on a new and different type of campus – designed for inspiration, collaboration and a deep connection to the global community.

  • And reinforced by an innovation ecosystem of global corporations & SME entrepreneurs, coupled with global universities, not just to invest, but to contribute knowledge and expertise – with New Model students at its centre.

We’re shaping an institution to create and deliver 21st century engineers – catalysts for innovation and change – a new model generation of emotionally intelligent entrepreneurs, innovators, employees and leaders for the future."


Two things strike me as very different about this proposition:

  1. Its motto is “no lectures, no exams, no text books” (!). It plans to be very practically-based, largely conducted within real industry.

Apparently, it will also have no departments, no faculties, no tenure, no Council.  Instead, it’ll have “teaching teams designed around the delivery of our unique engineering and Human Interaction curriculum” (developed by an impressive, international, and overwhelmingly academic array of advisors and partners).


  1. It’s located in the city of Hereford (admittedly partly a personal one as a resident of Herefordshire for over 30 years). 

It is a city by virtue of its cathedral but it is one of the smaller cities in the UK with a population of just over 50k, and is in England's first or second most rural county (depending on how you rank it). Hereford’s engineering heritage is largely unremarkable as it is known more for its agricultural and food output (beef, potatoes, strawberries, apples, cider(!), beer, etc.) and of being home to the UK's elite special forces regiments. It has engineering history in munitions production from during WWII and it's current engineering association is with food production, double-glazing, Morgan chassis and JCB cab manufacture, insulation material forming, and that’s largely it. So, not the most obvious choice to base a new Advanced Engineering University then!


The NMiTE project has been described (The Times 6th Sep 2016) as “at worst an intriguing experiment and at best an innovative template that traditional universities might learn from”.

What do you think?


As an aside, I have seen nothing of NMiTE in these forums or indeed on the IET website – yet, apparently (and quite rightly) the IET has been an advisor/contributor/supporter.


As a footnote, I would very much like to reach out and connect with any IET members/fellows that are/have been involved in NMiTE with a view of my getting involved too.
  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Chris Pearson

    Andy,

    No one is
    interested in engineering in MIET, just look at the Future
    Engineering blogs, very few subjects very few views, no
    comments.

    Engineers
    must be able to identify ambitious projects from factual
    engineering reality.




    If they
    had a good education then they would be able to see for them
    selves.

    Why is it
    that an old (RIP) businessman and Lord of the Realm can question
    fake technology and not Engineers?




    These
    blogs are just for insisting on ones point of view and protecting a
    false status recognised nowhere outside of the UK.

    I helped
    start and run a good PEI, it is now an elitist club that is
    blocking the people of our status when we created Engineering &
    Technology.

    As a
    stake holder, I want to see the members respected, not
    denigrated.




    No point
    in wasting any more time.




    What are
    the active members doing to improve education, training for all,
    both genders from technician to PhD and long route included.




    Some good
    ideas have been mentioned, but do members really care.

    They have
    their CEng badge which opens UK doors; those that are not CEng have
    the door closed on them even if they have more experience and
    qualifications.




    I will
    never accept peer review it is biased and subjective. 

    I have
    witnessed too much Fraud and corruption in engineering which in the
    UK you would not believe, I do not want it creeping into IET.




    I have
    been coerced into situations which even V V our Rusian journalist
    would find hard to believe. 




    I want to
    see IET back on the rails with respect for all members.




    John
    Gowman



  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Chris Pearson

    Andy,

    No one is
    interested in engineering in MIET, just look at the Future
    Engineering blogs, very few subjects very few views, no
    comments.

    Engineers
    must be able to identify ambitious projects from factual
    engineering reality.




    If they
    had a good education then they would be able to see for them
    selves.

    Why is it
    that an old (RIP) businessman and Lord of the Realm can question
    fake technology and not Engineers?




    These
    blogs are just for insisting on ones point of view and protecting a
    false status recognised nowhere outside of the UK.

    I helped
    start and run a good PEI, it is now an elitist club that is
    blocking the people of our status when we created Engineering &
    Technology.

    As a
    stake holder, I want to see the members respected, not
    denigrated.




    No point
    in wasting any more time.




    What are
    the active members doing to improve education, training for all,
    both genders from technician to PhD and long route included.




    Some good
    ideas have been mentioned, but do members really care.

    They have
    their CEng badge which opens UK doors; those that are not CEng have
    the door closed on them even if they have more experience and
    qualifications.




    I will
    never accept peer review it is biased and subjective. 

    I have
    witnessed too much Fraud and corruption in engineering which in the
    UK you would not believe, I do not want it creeping into IET.




    I have
    been coerced into situations which even V V our Rusian journalist
    would find hard to believe. 




    I want to
    see IET back on the rails with respect for all members.




    John
    Gowman



  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Chris Pearson

    Andy,

    No one is
    interested in engineering in MIET, just look at the Future
    Engineering blogs, very few subjects very few views, no
    comments.

    Engineers
    must be able to identify ambitious projects from factual
    engineering reality.




    If they
    had a good education then they would be able to see for them
    selves.

    Why is it
    that an old (RIP) businessman and Lord of the Realm can question
    fake technology and not Engineers?




    These
    blogs are just for insisting on ones point of view and protecting a
    false status recognised nowhere outside of the UK.

    I helped
    start and run a good PEI, it is now an elitist club that is
    blocking the people of our status when we created Engineering &
    Technology.

    As a
    stake holder, I want to see the members respected, not
    denigrated.




    No point
    in wasting any more time.




    What are
    the active members doing to improve education, training for all,
    both genders from technician to PhD and long route included.




    Some good
    ideas have been mentioned, but do members really care.

    They have
    their CEng badge which opens UK doors; those that are not CEng have
    the door closed on them even if they have more experience and
    qualifications.




    I will
    never accept peer review it is biased and subjective. 

    I have
    witnessed too much Fraud and corruption in engineering which in the
    UK you would not believe, I do not want it creeping into IET.




    I have
    been coerced into situations which even V V our Rusian journalist
    would find hard to believe. 




    I want to
    see IET back on the rails with respect for all members.




    John
    Gowman



  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Chris Pearson





    Scott,

    I like your approach. You seem to be about the same age as I
    was when I got drawn into ITEME >> IIE now IET.



    It is your generation that has to fend for itself and for
    your future. Old retired interlectuals and past engineers such as
    me can only give advice.



    I disagree about the US President. Yes he is what you think
    he is, but as is the young French president, both came from nowhere
    and took all to change the status quo.



    They both back engineering, technology and the their future
    youth. The French President respects those that work. We saw a
    Fifty year woman , unemployed taking a welding apprenticeship; we
    are seeing state backed, apprenticeships and in France if you work
    study hard you can go to any engineering school or university.
    Technicians and craftspeople are now respected and earn a good
    living. I have had two technicians take PhDs, 



    There are those that  once qualified, close the doors on
    others. That is what I want the new engieers to question and
    curtail.




    I have never blogged before, it can be dangerous, but I have
    done what I wanted to do, stir up a debate and call for
    action.

    Call for respect for both genders and IEng and question the
    validity  of according CEng by subjective reviews.



    John Gowman








  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Chris Pearson





    Scott,

    I like your approach. You seem to be about the same age as I
    was when I got drawn into ITEME >> IIE now IET.



    It is your generation that has to fend for itself and for
    your future. Old retired interlectuals and past engineers such as
    me can only give advice.



    I disagree about the US President. Yes he is what you think
    he is, but as is the young French president, both came from nowhere
    and took all to change the status quo.



    They both back engineering, technology and the their future
    youth. The French President respects those that work. We saw a
    Fifty year woman , unemployed taking a welding apprenticeship; we
    are seeing state backed, apprenticeships and in France if you work
    study hard you can go to any engineering school or university.
    Technicians and craftspeople are now respected and earn a good
    living. I have had two technicians take PhDs, 



    There are those that  once qualified, close the doors on
    others. That is what I want the new engieers to question and
    curtail.




    I have never blogged before, it can be dangerous, but I have
    done what I wanted to do, stir up a debate and call for
    action.

    Call for respect for both genders and IEng and question the
    validity  of according CEng by subjective reviews.



    John Gowman








  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Chris Pearson





    Scott,

    I like your approach. You seem to be about the same age as I
    was when I got drawn into ITEME >> IIE now IET.



    It is your generation that has to fend for itself and for
    your future. Old retired interlectuals and past engineers such as
    me can only give advice.



    I disagree about the US President. Yes he is what you think
    he is, but as is the young French president, both came from nowhere
    and took all to change the status quo.



    They both back engineering, technology and the their future
    youth. The French President respects those that work. We saw a
    Fifty year woman , unemployed taking a welding apprenticeship; we
    are seeing state backed, apprenticeships and in France if you work
    study hard you can go to any engineering school or university.
    Technicians and craftspeople are now respected and earn a good
    living. I have had two technicians take PhDs, 



    There are those that  once qualified, close the doors on
    others. That is what I want the new engieers to question and
    curtail.




    I have never blogged before, it can be dangerous, but I have
    done what I wanted to do, stir up a debate and call for
    action.

    Call for respect for both genders and IEng and question the
    validity  of according CEng by subjective reviews.



    John Gowman








  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Chris Pearson





    Scott,

    I like your approach. You seem to be about the same age as I
    was when I got drawn into ITEME >> IIE now IET.



    It is your generation that has to fend for itself and for
    your future. Old retired interlectuals and past engineers such as
    me can only give advice.



    I disagree about the US President. Yes he is what you think
    he is, but as is the young French president, both came from nowhere
    and took all to change the status quo.



    They both back engineering, technology and the their future
    youth. The French President respects those that work. We saw a
    Fifty year woman , unemployed taking a welding apprenticeship; we
    are seeing state backed, apprenticeships and in France if you work
    study hard you can go to any engineering school or university.
    Technicians and craftspeople are now respected and earn a good
    living. I have had two technicians take PhDs, 



    There are those that  once qualified, close the doors on
    others. That is what I want the new engieers to question and
    curtail.




    I have never blogged before, it can be dangerous, but I have
    done what I wanted to do, stir up a debate and call for
    action.

    Call for respect for both genders and IEng and question the
    validity  of according CEng by subjective reviews.



    John Gowman









  • Andy Millar:


    On the train this afternoon I finally got a chance to read the "New Approaches" conference proceedings Roy gave a path to a few posts back (I'm about half way through). Fascinating for two reasons. Firstly because a couple of the approaches I think are really very interesting: Vertically integrated projects: transforming higher education, Stephen Marshall and An engineering renaissance, Janusz A. Kozinski and Eddy F. Evans. Both were genuinely a breath of fresh air, and the latter in particular is a very thorough approach. But sadly, the second reason I found this so interesting was because throughout these studies it was emphasised that all the problems that existed with my engineering degree nearly 40 years ago are still there. I'm not going to write much more on this, because Kozinski and Evans for example have expressed the problems and potential solutions much better and much more authoritatively than I would. Except to say that it amuses me and frustrates me by turn how bad academia is in innovating in its organisations - but I have an impression that in STEM there is a new species of academics coming through who will be prepared to shake things up, I just hope they survive the frustration and bureaucracy to get to a position where they can!

     




    Andy, apologies for the delayed comment (been working overseas) and it took me a while to read the thread(!) to where its gone/got to. 

    I am not sure if you spotted that the co-author you mention above, Janusz Kozinski, is the inaugural president and CEO of the NMiTE (the original subject of the thread).

    Latest news on the NMiTE is that it apparently received £15m in Govt funding (http://nmite.org.uk/government-announces-15m-funding-for-the-new-model-in-technology-and-engineering-in-hereford/) and aims to be ready to take the first cohort of students in 2020. Local news is (I live in Hereford) that it has selected the county's Shire Hall as its physical base (http://www.herefordtimes.com/news/15637100.New_university_will_be_based_at_the_Shire_Hall_in_Hereford/) which is a little odd to me as doesn't promote 'new model' anything.


     

  • No I hadn't spotted that, how interesting, thank you! 


    I also note the local news article includes the sentence "NMiTE is taking a radical approach to training the next generation of engineers..." which I am unhappy to say is quoted from the Government website www.gov.uk/.../multi-million-pound-funding-for-new-higher-education-provider  Hopefully it's only the author of that website article who doesn't know the difference between educating and training!


    Cheers, Andy
  • Whether it is the NMiTE or the Dyson University, I doubt if the Engineering Council's hierarchical model of UKSpec will feature. The lack of response to Professor John Uff's review of the engineering professional indicates the PEI's and Engineering Council are resistant the change.