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A new model of high-value engineering education

Following on from the UK Engineering Report 2016 (and the discussion of same in this forum) and the adequacy or not of current efforts to educate and train, and to encourage the registration of our future engineers, I am intrigued about a “new model in technology and engineering” (NMiTE http://www.nmite.org.uk). It is a new University that is to focus on the teaching of engineering.

In a recent press release, it says:  


“At NMiTE we believe that engineering education can be different.
We’re here to unlock the creativity and drive of Britain’s next generation – the Passioneers – the designers and builders, problem solvers and innovators who will shape our future.


We’re establishing a new model of high-value engineering education:


  • Creating a beacon institution to help address the engineering skills shortage that threatens to hobble the UK’s ability to compete globally.

  • With a new approach to learning – based on real-world problem solving and the blending of high quality engineering, design, liberal arts and humanities with communication and employability skills targeted at the growth sectors of the future.

  • Located on a new and different type of campus – designed for inspiration, collaboration and a deep connection to the global community.

  • And reinforced by an innovation ecosystem of global corporations & SME entrepreneurs, coupled with global universities, not just to invest, but to contribute knowledge and expertise – with New Model students at its centre.

We’re shaping an institution to create and deliver 21st century engineers – catalysts for innovation and change – a new model generation of emotionally intelligent entrepreneurs, innovators, employees and leaders for the future."


Two things strike me as very different about this proposition:

  1. Its motto is “no lectures, no exams, no text books” (!). It plans to be very practically-based, largely conducted within real industry.

Apparently, it will also have no departments, no faculties, no tenure, no Council.  Instead, it’ll have “teaching teams designed around the delivery of our unique engineering and Human Interaction curriculum” (developed by an impressive, international, and overwhelmingly academic array of advisors and partners).


  1. It’s located in the city of Hereford (admittedly partly a personal one as a resident of Herefordshire for over 30 years). 

It is a city by virtue of its cathedral but it is one of the smaller cities in the UK with a population of just over 50k, and is in England's first or second most rural county (depending on how you rank it). Hereford’s engineering heritage is largely unremarkable as it is known more for its agricultural and food output (beef, potatoes, strawberries, apples, cider(!), beer, etc.) and of being home to the UK's elite special forces regiments. It has engineering history in munitions production from during WWII and it's current engineering association is with food production, double-glazing, Morgan chassis and JCB cab manufacture, insulation material forming, and that’s largely it. So, not the most obvious choice to base a new Advanced Engineering University then!


The NMiTE project has been described (The Times 6th Sep 2016) as “at worst an intriguing experiment and at best an innovative template that traditional universities might learn from”.

What do you think?


As an aside, I have seen nothing of NMiTE in these forums or indeed on the IET website – yet, apparently (and quite rightly) the IET has been an advisor/contributor/supporter.


As a footnote, I would very much like to reach out and connect with any IET members/fellows that are/have been involved in NMiTE with a view of my getting involved too.
  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member
    It's possible the numbers of registered IEng from IET is increasing vs the numbers of IEng's from all institutes at EngC UK that appeared decreasing.

    Just my thought I didn't see the numbers.
  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Chris Pearson

    Moshe; Peter,
    Andy,



    Thank you
    for your replies. 

    The IET
    management treats IET as an international private company, not as a
    PEI for all technolgists.

    It has
    taken the road of globalisation and set up a blind marketting
    system. It is now almost autominous, it needs members to pay its
    salaried staff, so it sells CEng (Electrical) abroad, but it will
    soon survive without us or without considering MIETs.

    It refuses
    to investigate cases of corruption and fraud at management
    level.

    It deals
    in FAKE information which is the menu of the day in UK journalism,
    UK nuclear (Fusion) R&D in E&T science fiction and UK &
    US politics - BREXIT, TRUMP exploited Fakism to the full.



    I do not
    believe a word of what our marketting team says about IEng and
    general technologists.



    I Call on IET to justify its
    stements by publishing true facts.




    I am in
    contact with EC UK about these PEI frauds. 

    ECUK
    confirm that IEng is no longer an issue; not enough support from
    PEIs and teaching establishments in the UK. Therefore IET
    Management is economic with the facts.



    We had
    elections, I had emails nearly every day, what are the results, who
    was voted in?



    As for a
    PEI for technical support, I am passing on my experience in an all
    round fields of engineering, I have had to resolve high power
    electrical, problems, IT problems in the most extreme conditions,
    materials , nuclear and power engineering. I am an all round
    engineer.

    I was
    refused CEng from IME and NI for subjective reasons. Not in full
    time contract, not in the UK, not having the right accent
    (UKAEA).



    I see only
    two  possibilities for this PEI that has lost its
    direction, 

    *one is to
    do a BREXIT and leave the UK  and become international.

    *The other
    is to push the UK Administration for a PE registration at 240 ECTS
    whatever you want to call it.

    Failing
    that, the result will be an organically modified PEI of CEng
    Electrical and IT with the IEng Technologist off spring being
    abandonned.



    Andy
    mentioned technical support and information.

    There arer
    technical blogs, I have made some relevant remarks on the Future
    Energy Blog; there has been little intezrest in this technical
    blog, I seem to have published more than anyone else, the two
    founding members have given up. have a look at the members
    interests in these blogs > less than 1%!

    On average
    there have been less than twenty MIETs in all that have replied
    with sound remarks, on average 3 people comment per blog, mainly
    the same; as on this blog. For a membership of a PEI of over 167K;
    I find this pathetic.



    The
    non-use of technical blogs in IET is only proof that people need
    CEng to keep their career rolling, their technical competence's are
    of no interest.

    ITEME, up to IIE had a
    very dynamic technical section with no Fake science, much
    inovative technical information and only articles on what had been
    produced - work or fail. (I was part technical
    editor)



    Try
    passing on your technical experiences in IET Blogs and see the lack
    of interrest from this PEIs Members.



    Staistics
    are powerfull tools, I developped Surveillance statistics to
    check the last EPR, our stake holders acted immediately - my
    observations even went to the President's desk before the end of
    the day. 




    Regards 

    John
    Gowman MIET - Eng resigned. Still on call for v ery interesting
    work.


    Engineering can be fun.





    Garanti sans virus. www.avg.com

  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Chris Pearson

    Moshe; Peter,
    Andy,



    Thank you
    for your replies. 

    The IET
    management treats IET as an international private company, not as a
    PEI for all technolgists.

    It has
    taken the road of globalisation and set up a blind marketting
    system. It is now almost autominous, it needs members to pay its
    salaried staff, so it sells CEng (Electrical) abroad, but it will
    soon survive without us or without considering MIETs.

    It refuses
    to investigate cases of corruption and fraud at management
    level.

    It deals
    in FAKE information which is the menu of the day in UK journalism,
    UK nuclear (Fusion) R&D in E&T science fiction and UK &
    US politics - BREXIT, TRUMP exploited Fakism to the full.



    I do not
    believe a word of what our marketting team says about IEng and
    general technologists.



    I Call on IET to justify its
    stements by publishing true facts.




    I am in
    contact with EC UK about these PEI frauds. 

    ECUK
    confirm that IEng is no longer an issue; not enough support from
    PEIs and teaching establishments in the UK. Therefore IET
    Management is economic with the facts.



    We had
    elections, I had emails nearly every day, what are the results, who
    was voted in?



    As for a
    PEI for technical support, I am passing on my experience in an all
    round fields of engineering, I have had to resolve high power
    electrical, problems, IT problems in the most extreme conditions,
    materials , nuclear and power engineering. I am an all round
    engineer.

    I was
    refused CEng from IME and NI for subjective reasons. Not in full
    time contract, not in the UK, not having the right accent
    (UKAEA).



    I see only
    two  possibilities for this PEI that has lost its
    direction, 

    *one is to
    do a BREXIT and leave the UK  and become international.

    *The other
    is to push the UK Administration for a PE registration at 240 ECTS
    whatever you want to call it.

    Failing
    that, the result will be an organically modified PEI of CEng
    Electrical and IT with the IEng Technologist off spring being
    abandonned.



    Andy
    mentioned technical support and information.

    There arer
    technical blogs, I have made some relevant remarks on the Future
    Energy Blog; there has been little intezrest in this technical
    blog, I seem to have published more than anyone else, the two
    founding members have given up. have a look at the members
    interests in these blogs > less than 1%!

    On average
    there have been less than twenty MIETs in all that have replied
    with sound remarks, on average 3 people comment per blog, mainly
    the same; as on this blog. For a membership of a PEI of over 167K;
    I find this pathetic.



    The
    non-use of technical blogs in IET is only proof that people need
    CEng to keep their career rolling, their technical competence's are
    of no interest.

    ITEME, up to IIE had a
    very dynamic technical section with no Fake science, much
    inovative technical information and only articles on what had been
    produced - work or fail. (I was part technical
    editor)



    Try
    passing on your technical experiences in IET Blogs and see the lack
    of interrest from this PEIs Members.



    Staistics
    are powerfull tools, I developped Surveillance statistics to
    check the last EPR, our stake holders acted immediately - my
    observations even went to the President's desk before the end of
    the day. 




    Regards 

    John
    Gowman MIET - Eng resigned. Still on call for v ery interesting
    work.


    Engineering can be fun.





    Garanti sans virus. www.avg.com

  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Chris Pearson

    Moshe; Peter,
    Andy,



    Thank you
    for your replies. 

    The IET
    management treats IET as an international private company, not as a
    PEI for all technolgists.

    It has
    taken the road of globalisation and set up a blind marketting
    system. It is now almost autominous, it needs members to pay its
    salaried staff, so it sells CEng (Electrical) abroad, but it will
    soon survive without us or without considering MIETs.

    It refuses
    to investigate cases of corruption and fraud at management
    level.

    It deals
    in FAKE information which is the menu of the day in UK journalism,
    UK nuclear (Fusion) R&D in E&T science fiction and UK &
    US politics - BREXIT, TRUMP exploited Fakism to the full.



    I do not
    believe a word of what our marketting team says about IEng and
    general technologists.



    I Call on IET to justify its
    stements by publishing true facts.




    I am in
    contact with EC UK about these PEI frauds. 

    ECUK
    confirm that IEng is no longer an issue; not enough support from
    PEIs and teaching establishments in the UK. Therefore IET
    Management is economic with the facts.



    We had
    elections, I had emails nearly every day, what are the results, who
    was voted in?



    As for a
    PEI for technical support, I am passing on my experience in an all
    round fields of engineering, I have had to resolve high power
    electrical, problems, IT problems in the most extreme conditions,
    materials , nuclear and power engineering. I am an all round
    engineer.

    I was
    refused CEng from IME and NI for subjective reasons. Not in full
    time contract, not in the UK, not having the right accent
    (UKAEA).



    I see only
    two  possibilities for this PEI that has lost its
    direction, 

    *one is to
    do a BREXIT and leave the UK  and become international.

    *The other
    is to push the UK Administration for a PE registration at 240 ECTS
    whatever you want to call it.

    Failing
    that, the result will be an organically modified PEI of CEng
    Electrical and IT with the IEng Technologist off spring being
    abandonned.



    Andy
    mentioned technical support and information.

    There arer
    technical blogs, I have made some relevant remarks on the Future
    Energy Blog; there has been little intezrest in this technical
    blog, I seem to have published more than anyone else, the two
    founding members have given up. have a look at the members
    interests in these blogs > less than 1%!

    On average
    there have been less than twenty MIETs in all that have replied
    with sound remarks, on average 3 people comment per blog, mainly
    the same; as on this blog. For a membership of a PEI of over 167K;
    I find this pathetic.



    The
    non-use of technical blogs in IET is only proof that people need
    CEng to keep their career rolling, their technical competence's are
    of no interest.

    ITEME, up to IIE had a
    very dynamic technical section with no Fake science, much
    inovative technical information and only articles on what had been
    produced - work or fail. (I was part technical
    editor)



    Try
    passing on your technical experiences in IET Blogs and see the lack
    of interrest from this PEIs Members.



    Staistics
    are powerfull tools, I developped Surveillance statistics to
    check the last EPR, our stake holders acted immediately - my
    observations even went to the President's desk before the end of
    the day. 




    Regards 

    John
    Gowman MIET - Eng resigned. Still on call for v ery interesting
    work.


    Engineering can be fun.





    Garanti sans virus. www.avg.com

  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Chris Pearson

    Moshe; Peter,
    Andy,



    Thank you
    for your replies. 

    The IET
    management treats IET as an international private company, not as a
    PEI for all technolgists.

    It has
    taken the road of globalisation and set up a blind marketting
    system. It is now almost autominous, it needs members to pay its
    salaried staff, so it sells CEng (Electrical) abroad, but it will
    soon survive without us or without considering MIETs.

    It refuses
    to investigate cases of corruption and fraud at management
    level.

    It deals
    in FAKE information which is the menu of the day in UK journalism,
    UK nuclear (Fusion) R&D in E&T science fiction and UK &
    US politics - BREXIT, TRUMP exploited Fakism to the full.



    I do not
    believe a word of what our marketting team says about IEng and
    general technologists.



    I Call on IET to justify its
    stements by publishing true facts.




    I am in
    contact with EC UK about these PEI frauds. 

    ECUK
    confirm that IEng is no longer an issue; not enough support from
    PEIs and teaching establishments in the UK. Therefore IET
    Management is economic with the facts.



    We had
    elections, I had emails nearly every day, what are the results, who
    was voted in?



    As for a
    PEI for technical support, I am passing on my experience in an all
    round fields of engineering, I have had to resolve high power
    electrical, problems, IT problems in the most extreme conditions,
    materials , nuclear and power engineering. I am an all round
    engineer.

    I was
    refused CEng from IME and NI for subjective reasons. Not in full
    time contract, not in the UK, not having the right accent
    (UKAEA).



    I see only
    two  possibilities for this PEI that has lost its
    direction, 

    *one is to
    do a BREXIT and leave the UK  and become international.

    *The other
    is to push the UK Administration for a PE registration at 240 ECTS
    whatever you want to call it.

    Failing
    that, the result will be an organically modified PEI of CEng
    Electrical and IT with the IEng Technologist off spring being
    abandonned.



    Andy
    mentioned technical support and information.

    There arer
    technical blogs, I have made some relevant remarks on the Future
    Energy Blog; there has been little intezrest in this technical
    blog, I seem to have published more than anyone else, the two
    founding members have given up. have a look at the members
    interests in these blogs > less than 1%!

    On average
    there have been less than twenty MIETs in all that have replied
    with sound remarks, on average 3 people comment per blog, mainly
    the same; as on this blog. For a membership of a PEI of over 167K;
    I find this pathetic.



    The
    non-use of technical blogs in IET is only proof that people need
    CEng to keep their career rolling, their technical competence's are
    of no interest.

    ITEME, up to IIE had a
    very dynamic technical section with no Fake science, much
    inovative technical information and only articles on what had been
    produced - work or fail. (I was part technical
    editor)



    Try
    passing on your technical experiences in IET Blogs and see the lack
    of interrest from this PEIs Members.



    Staistics
    are powerfull tools, I developped Surveillance statistics to
    check the last EPR, our stake holders acted immediately - my
    observations even went to the President's desk before the end of
    the day. 




    Regards 

    John
    Gowman MIET - Eng resigned. Still on call for v ery interesting
    work.


    Engineering can be fun.





    Garanti sans virus. www.avg.com

  • John,

    I think you hit the nail on the head with one of your comments:

    Thanks to my full engineering training from apprenticeship to taught masters, I have had the pleasure to work with the world’s most multi-disciplinary professional engineers with the world’s very best science, engineering and technology innovators, grouping the cutting-edge, thinkers and doers. It was not my suffix that counted it was my competences.



    I have to say that some of the best engineers I have met have gone through the route of starting with an apprenticeship and then developing with further education/qualifications. However the death knell of apprenticeships was sounded initially back in the early '60s when the UK government abolished conscription (doing an engineering apprenticeship deferred conscription, which with other later choices could be then completely avoided), though it took a few decades to fully decline. We now have a government trying to rebuild a system of apprenticeships, though it appears to me that the intention is to get people off the unemployment figures rather than boosing the countries engineering capabilities, so time will tell if this will make a difference.


    This of course brings us back to the original subject of this thread, a new model of high value engineering education. It seems to me that the new university plans to do what the government is not quite achieving, and I for one would be delighted to get engineers coming through who are as good as some of those I have worked with, though I suspect I will be retired before the new engineers start to make a difference.


    Alasdair Anderson
  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Chris Pearson

    Alasdair,

    I appreciate your
    reply.

    I am just retired from a
    research centre in France which is leading advanced scientific and
    technological research in new domains; in brief it is part of the
    Paris Tech,  a grouping of the Ile de France region elitist,
    but open grande ecoles, the biggest Advanced Technology Teaching
    and Research campus in Europe if not worldwide.

    I was called upon to sort
    out an important project that had ground to a stop because there
    were no experienced, all round nuclear engineers available in
    France. Newly trained engineers are not trained to engineer
    anymore.

    From my experience,
    Switzerland and Germany have the best approach to Professional
    Engineer education and training.

    In the UK I have seen
    from the E&T journal that there is a new nuclear college in
    Bridgewater Summerset that has created a system to address the lack
    of nuclear skills and skilled persons from craftsman to PhD. The
    College is linked with the local university (just type Bridgewater
    Nuclear College ). It strikes me that this is the most realistic
    approach to full technology training and education that you can
    find in the UK. There are other good examples of taught
    apprenticeships in the UK, but there does not seem to be enough to
    meet tomorrow’s demands. Perhaps the real problem is there is no
    will to find a way.

    I do not think the
    selective CEng attitude of most UK PEIs is doing the country any
    good. (sorry to those MIET not UK resident, but we have a real
    internal problem and those most concerned seem to be
    retiring).

    The UK needs to have more
    apprenticeships similar to this model.

    They need to be financed
    by the end users – industry. (France is in its latest great
    revolution, last night the French President said that France’s
    future depended on good apprenticeships).

    I was an RAE apprentice,
    but I do not think any scheme could be run the way our
    apprenticeship was; we were privileged and had resources that no
    longer exist.

    No comments on UK
    politics I do not see the system lasting very long and there is no
    alternative. Our government Technology committee is run by an
    unemployed opera singer. (France’s nuclear foundries were run by a
    TV producer who killed off the industry).

    The apprenticeship
    financed by local industry and guided by local education colleges
    and universities is the ideal solution to producing competent
    technologists.

    The out of date ideas of
    mechanical, electrical restricted practice and sectarian PEIs has
    to change.

    We need advanced
    specialists, but we greatly need technologists that can understand
    other disciplines and engineer their own whilst coordinating with
    other disciplines.

    Your comment: I will be retired before the
    new engineers start to make a difference.
    Needs to be taken
    seriously by the powers to be; but I do not think the PEIs are
    really interested in a total change of attitude or by a new model of high value
    engineering education.

    They are only interested
    in selling CEng.

    There are many models
    of high value
    engineering education,
    the UK needs to find one that fits its
    specification and implement it
    ASAP.

    Regards,

     


    John Gowman, MIET (IEng
    resigned)
     





    Garanti sans virus. www.avg.com

  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Chris Pearson

    Alasdair,

    I appreciate your
    reply.

    I am just retired from a
    research centre in France which is leading advanced scientific and
    technological research in new domains; in brief it is part of the
    Paris Tech,  a grouping of the Ile de France region elitist,
    but open grande ecoles, the biggest Advanced Technology Teaching
    and Research campus in Europe if not worldwide.

    I was called upon to sort
    out an important project that had ground to a stop because there
    were no experienced, all round nuclear engineers available in
    France. Newly trained engineers are not trained to engineer
    anymore.

    From my experience,
    Switzerland and Germany have the best approach to Professional
    Engineer education and training.

    In the UK I have seen
    from the E&T journal that there is a new nuclear college in
    Bridgewater Summerset that has created a system to address the lack
    of nuclear skills and skilled persons from craftsman to PhD. The
    College is linked with the local university (just type Bridgewater
    Nuclear College ). It strikes me that this is the most realistic
    approach to full technology training and education that you can
    find in the UK. There are other good examples of taught
    apprenticeships in the UK, but there does not seem to be enough to
    meet tomorrow’s demands. Perhaps the real problem is there is no
    will to find a way.

    I do not think the
    selective CEng attitude of most UK PEIs is doing the country any
    good. (sorry to those MIET not UK resident, but we have a real
    internal problem and those most concerned seem to be
    retiring).

    The UK needs to have more
    apprenticeships similar to this model.

    They need to be financed
    by the end users – industry. (France is in its latest great
    revolution, last night the French President said that France’s
    future depended on good apprenticeships).

    I was an RAE apprentice,
    but I do not think any scheme could be run the way our
    apprenticeship was; we were privileged and had resources that no
    longer exist.

    No comments on UK
    politics I do not see the system lasting very long and there is no
    alternative. Our government Technology committee is run by an
    unemployed opera singer. (France’s nuclear foundries were run by a
    TV producer who killed off the industry).

    The apprenticeship
    financed by local industry and guided by local education colleges
    and universities is the ideal solution to producing competent
    technologists.

    The out of date ideas of
    mechanical, electrical restricted practice and sectarian PEIs has
    to change.

    We need advanced
    specialists, but we greatly need technologists that can understand
    other disciplines and engineer their own whilst coordinating with
    other disciplines.

    Your comment: I will be retired before the
    new engineers start to make a difference.
    Needs to be taken
    seriously by the powers to be; but I do not think the PEIs are
    really interested in a total change of attitude or by a new model of high value
    engineering education.

    They are only interested
    in selling CEng.

    There are many models
    of high value
    engineering education,
    the UK needs to find one that fits its
    specification and implement it
    ASAP.

    Regards,

     


    John Gowman, MIET (IEng
    resigned)
     





    Garanti sans virus. www.avg.com

  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Chris Pearson

    Alasdair,

    I appreciate your
    reply.

    I am just retired from a
    research centre in France which is leading advanced scientific and
    technological research in new domains; in brief it is part of the
    Paris Tech,  a grouping of the Ile de France region elitist,
    but open grande ecoles, the biggest Advanced Technology Teaching
    and Research campus in Europe if not worldwide.

    I was called upon to sort
    out an important project that had ground to a stop because there
    were no experienced, all round nuclear engineers available in
    France. Newly trained engineers are not trained to engineer
    anymore.

    From my experience,
    Switzerland and Germany have the best approach to Professional
    Engineer education and training.

    In the UK I have seen
    from the E&T journal that there is a new nuclear college in
    Bridgewater Summerset that has created a system to address the lack
    of nuclear skills and skilled persons from craftsman to PhD. The
    College is linked with the local university (just type Bridgewater
    Nuclear College ). It strikes me that this is the most realistic
    approach to full technology training and education that you can
    find in the UK. There are other good examples of taught
    apprenticeships in the UK, but there does not seem to be enough to
    meet tomorrow’s demands. Perhaps the real problem is there is no
    will to find a way.

    I do not think the
    selective CEng attitude of most UK PEIs is doing the country any
    good. (sorry to those MIET not UK resident, but we have a real
    internal problem and those most concerned seem to be
    retiring).

    The UK needs to have more
    apprenticeships similar to this model.

    They need to be financed
    by the end users – industry. (France is in its latest great
    revolution, last night the French President said that France’s
    future depended on good apprenticeships).

    I was an RAE apprentice,
    but I do not think any scheme could be run the way our
    apprenticeship was; we were privileged and had resources that no
    longer exist.

    No comments on UK
    politics I do not see the system lasting very long and there is no
    alternative. Our government Technology committee is run by an
    unemployed opera singer. (France’s nuclear foundries were run by a
    TV producer who killed off the industry).

    The apprenticeship
    financed by local industry and guided by local education colleges
    and universities is the ideal solution to producing competent
    technologists.

    The out of date ideas of
    mechanical, electrical restricted practice and sectarian PEIs has
    to change.

    We need advanced
    specialists, but we greatly need technologists that can understand
    other disciplines and engineer their own whilst coordinating with
    other disciplines.

    Your comment: I will be retired before the
    new engineers start to make a difference.
    Needs to be taken
    seriously by the powers to be; but I do not think the PEIs are
    really interested in a total change of attitude or by a new model of high value
    engineering education.

    They are only interested
    in selling CEng.

    There are many models
    of high value
    engineering education,
    the UK needs to find one that fits its
    specification and implement it
    ASAP.

    Regards,

     


    John Gowman, MIET (IEng
    resigned)
     





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    0 Former Community Member in reply to Chris Pearson

    Alasdair,

    I appreciate your
    reply.

    I am just retired from a
    research centre in France which is leading advanced scientific and
    technological research in new domains; in brief it is part of the
    Paris Tech,  a grouping of the Ile de France region elitist,
    but open grande ecoles, the biggest Advanced Technology Teaching
    and Research campus in Europe if not worldwide.

    I was called upon to sort
    out an important project that had ground to a stop because there
    were no experienced, all round nuclear engineers available in
    France. Newly trained engineers are not trained to engineer
    anymore.

    From my experience,
    Switzerland and Germany have the best approach to Professional
    Engineer education and training.

    In the UK I have seen
    from the E&T journal that there is a new nuclear college in
    Bridgewater Summerset that has created a system to address the lack
    of nuclear skills and skilled persons from craftsman to PhD. The
    College is linked with the local university (just type Bridgewater
    Nuclear College ). It strikes me that this is the most realistic
    approach to full technology training and education that you can
    find in the UK. There are other good examples of taught
    apprenticeships in the UK, but there does not seem to be enough to
    meet tomorrow’s demands. Perhaps the real problem is there is no
    will to find a way.

    I do not think the
    selective CEng attitude of most UK PEIs is doing the country any
    good. (sorry to those MIET not UK resident, but we have a real
    internal problem and those most concerned seem to be
    retiring).

    The UK needs to have more
    apprenticeships similar to this model.

    They need to be financed
    by the end users – industry. (France is in its latest great
    revolution, last night the French President said that France’s
    future depended on good apprenticeships).

    I was an RAE apprentice,
    but I do not think any scheme could be run the way our
    apprenticeship was; we were privileged and had resources that no
    longer exist.

    No comments on UK
    politics I do not see the system lasting very long and there is no
    alternative. Our government Technology committee is run by an
    unemployed opera singer. (France’s nuclear foundries were run by a
    TV producer who killed off the industry).

    The apprenticeship
    financed by local industry and guided by local education colleges
    and universities is the ideal solution to producing competent
    technologists.

    The out of date ideas of
    mechanical, electrical restricted practice and sectarian PEIs has
    to change.

    We need advanced
    specialists, but we greatly need technologists that can understand
    other disciplines and engineer their own whilst coordinating with
    other disciplines.

    Your comment: I will be retired before the
    new engineers start to make a difference.
    Needs to be taken
    seriously by the powers to be; but I do not think the PEIs are
    really interested in a total change of attitude or by a new model of high value
    engineering education.

    They are only interested
    in selling CEng.

    There are many models
    of high value
    engineering education,
    the UK needs to find one that fits its
    specification and implement it
    ASAP.

    Regards,

     


    John Gowman, MIET (IEng
    resigned)
     





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