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Goodbye Old King Coal Generation.

Old King Coal Generation was a merry old soul, 

But soon is not to be.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50520962


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  • Closer to home - Didcot A power station. Mostly gone, apart from that huge chimney. I drive up that way along the A34 a few times each year. Each time I think to myself, "That chimney is still there." Most of the rest was demolished a while ago.


    Well I saw the chimney for the last time last month. On Sunday Feb 9 it is to be demolished.

    https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2020-02-07/last-chimney-at-didcot-a-power-station-to-be-demolished/
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    Luciano Bacco:



    Ironbridge towers demolished: As it happened


    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-shropshire-50671593
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/06/uk/power-plant-demolition-intl-scli-gbr/index.html


    The competent UK Professional Demolition Engineering Body in UK
    https://ide.org.uk/


    More:

    https://www.khl.com/demolition-and-recycling-international/explosive-design-underway-at-ironbridge/142264.article?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Demolition+%26+Recycling+International+-+6th+February+2020&utm_term=D%26RI

     


               

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    The 2020 IMechE Report on Accelerating Road Transport: Decarbonisation. A complementary approach using sustainable and low carbon fuels.

    Download report

    https://www.imeche.org/policy-and-press/reports/detail/accelerating-road-transport-decarbonisation

  • Thanks, Luciano, for the link to the IDE; the professional body behind these demolitions should not go unnoticed.


    What I find irritating is sensational news bulletins coming out with trite phrases like: "The product of years of construction work razed in seconds". These demolitions require many months of planning. Then the explosives need to be installed and "wired-up" under, I imagine, very strict regulations of safety and access. A date needs to be arranged with the police and road closures planned. Once the structure is down, that is where the hard work really begins - clear up the mess.


    Overall, probably less time than to originally construct, but still not an inconsiderable amount of time and work.

  • Roger Bryant:




    Simon Barker:

    I guess that's what happens when you buy cheap Chinese buses.  150km range is miserable, and they probably wore the batteries out running them flat over and over again.


    They need to spend more money, buy something that doesn't keep breaking down, and with big enough batteries to last a day.  For comparison, Tesla's semi truck is designed to have a range of 480 to 800km when towing a full trailer.




     

    Where does the money come from? Like most 'Greens' you seem to think that there are infinite resources available to support your chosen solutions.


    Best regards


    Roger

     

     



    Electric vehicles cost a lot more up-front, but then cost rather less to run.  Diesel is expensive, and if you get properly tried and tested vehicles, the maintenance costs will be lower.


    But ultimately, pretending that there isn't a problem doesn't make it go away.  If there is a hole in your roof, you can't pretend it's not there, even if it will be expensive to get a roofer in to fix it.  And sticking buckets down will only work for so long before your ceilings start to collapse.


    If even a Conservative government under Boris Johnson thinks there is a problem, then it's safe to assume it's not just some conspiracy theory dreamt up by a number of left-wing greenies.


    And it's not the greens who pretend that the World has infinite resources.
     

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    Denis McMahon:

    Thanks, Luciano, for the link to the IDE; the professional body behind these demolitions should not go unnoticed.


    What I find irritating is sensational news bulletins coming out with trite phrases like: "The product of years of construction work razed in seconds". These demolitions require many months of planning. Then the explosives need to be installed and "wired-up" under, I imagine, very strict regulations of safety and access. A date needs to be arranged with the police and road closures planned. Once the structure is down, that is where the hard work really begins - clear up the mess.


    Overall, probably less time than to originally construct, but still not an inconsiderable amount of time and work.

    A similar position is also held by this sort of Engineers:
    https://iexpe.org/the-institute-its-role/


     




     


  • Simon Barker:


    Electric vehicles cost a lot more up-front, but then cost rather less to run.  Diesel is expensive, and if you get properly tried and tested vehicles, the maintenance costs will be lower.


    But ultimately, pretending that there isn't a problem doesn't make it go away.  If there is a hole in your roof, you can't pretend it's not there, even if it will be expensive to get a roofer in to fix it.  And sticking buckets down will only work for so long before your ceilings start to collapse.


    If even a Conservative government under Boris Johnson thinks there is a problem, then it's safe to assume it's not just some conspiracy theory dreamt up by a number of left-wing greenies.


    And it's not the greens who pretend that the World has infinite resources.
     


     




     

    Lets look at the decision making process here:


    I manage a bus company that delivers a transport service with a price and reliability that tempts people out of their private cars and into my buses reducing traffic congestion. I decide I want to reduce my impact on the planet what do I have to consider?


    If I increase the prices or reduce the reliability more people will use private cars which defeats the object.


    What technologies are available to me?

    Trolley buses: Where does the electricity come from? If it is from burning fossil fuels I should probably stick with diesel buses. If it is from renewable sources how do I guarantee the supply? If it is not reliable people won't use my buses. There is a large investment required in infrastructure (poles, wires, switch gear etc). There will be objections to the installation of this infrastructure. They are inflexible (temporary route changes are difficult and expensive) so will require a back up fleet that does not require overhead wires. This solution may be valid on routes with a high traffic density.

    Battery buses: Where does the electricity come from? If it is from burning fossil fuels I should probably stick with diesel buses. Straight solar is no use as I need to charge the batteries at night. I could use a second set of batteries that are charged during the day but that increases the costs and requires additional infrastructure for battery exchange and storage. Is wind reliable enough for my service? What is the real world range of the buses on my routes with hills etc. How much is the range reduced by the 'hotel' load (heating, aircon, etc). What is the real battery life? 1000 cycles is less than 3 years of daily operation. How much more expensive are battery buses than diesel buses?

    Bio gas buses: Where do I source the gas? If it is from the composting of local waste products that sounds good. How much is available, so how much of my fleet can I convert? How much more expensive are gas engined buses than diesel buses? Will the engines run on fossil sourced gas in an emergency or do I need back up diesel buses?


    If you were managing a bus company that has to make a profit to survive and supply a service to tempt people to use it rather than the alternatives how would your thinking go? Would you demand government (taxpayer's) subsidies? Would you, like the Germans, choose to use expensive electricity that frequently comes from dirty fossil fuel sources (brown coal) to support your virtue signaling?


    Best regards


    Roger


  • Where does the electricity come from? If it is from burning fossil fuels I should probably stick with diesel buses




    Not so simple. Firstly I may be trying to clean the air in the city, but less worried about the pollution from the power station.

    Secondly, a diesel bus will not allow regenerative braking, and the engine runs even when you are stopped at the bus stop or in traffic (at least in older buses).

    Consider this  very modern 7900 electric volvo bus

    an 8 hour day of perhaps 150-200km on a full  charge.

    or this
    diesel figures, same manufacturer    this sort of  thing, perhaps 30 litres per 100km.


    Looks like a winner - 30 litres for one hour only is 140kVA genset (  ish  -   link)

    And electricity generation is a touch more efficient that a diesel genset in a proper power station.

    And a lot better if like the UK we have some nuclear and some wind generation to throw in the mix.



    So how far can we go on a 140 kVA battery?

    usual caveats

    so more like 100 to 200km in reality then.

    Not clear that the electric option is worse, it may be better, even just as it is.

    I'd be the first to agree there have been some noticable cock ups  on early systems 

    example the Albuquerque Rapid Transit   but I suggest that shows the technology is immature, not impossible

    (battery temperature control was a large part of the failure of that pilot, and the longer range per day required compared to a typical

    European city bus route.)


     


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    Could this new British single-seater pod 'transform future mobility'?


    https://www.imeche.org/news/news-article/could-this-new-british-single-seater-pod-'transform-future-mobility



  • Luciano Bacco:



    Could this new British single-seater pod 'transform future mobility'?


    https://www.imeche.org/news/news-article/could-this-new-british-single-seater-pod-'transform-future-mobility


     

     



    So somebody has just produced a brand new vehicle that's just like a Renault Twizy, except with one less seat.  The Twizy was first launched in 2012, and you can buy one from your local Renault dealer now.