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SOMETHING FOR THE WEEKEND?

Sorry Zoom if I am treading on your toes.


What are we going to do this weekend?


JP
  • Good grief its taken at least 2 years to get back to some sort of sensible Friday afternoon/evening conversational intercource.....
  • Come on my fellow forum members what will you be doing as an ancillary task to another important task. It is not the census as that was last weekend.
  • Oh yes, the Census.


    Concerning Mrs P ...


    Last occupation = nurse.


    Nature of work = nursing.


    Employer = NHS.


    Nature of employer = health care.


    So we have occupation = electrician.


    Nature of work = doing electrics.


    Occupation = rugby player.


    Nature of work = playing rugby. (Winning if you are Welsh.)


    Occupation = Prime Minister.


    Nature of work = ooh er, now I am stuck! ?
  • Occupation = Prime minister

    Nature of work = Listening to a load of puffed-up moronic "advisors" who know little and care even less for the Country, the average citizen, and particularly small business. He has also listened to a bunch of so-called "statisticians" whose figures bear as much relation to real life as Monty Pythons Juniper bush to an Oak tree. He believed a manufacturer of a "test" for the virus, which was used for screening of a population, where its details are hidden and its inventor says is completely unsuitable for the task, as well as setting the threshold of "infection" around 10,000 times too sensitive.?


    Occupation = Health secretary

    Nature of work = Removing around 70 million man-years from the population's enjoyment of life, whilst enforcing rules to make these years as miserable as possible. This has probably killed many more people than any risk of Covid infection to nearly all the population.?
  • davezawadi (David Stone):

    This has probably killed many more people than any risk of Covid infection to nearly all the population.?


    Sigh. Roughly a third of Covid hospital admissions have been people under 65. People admitted to hospital for Covid are those who have a good chance of dying unless given suitable medical treatment. Roughly 2/3rds of those hospitalised recover, chiefly because the oxygen, mechanical ventilation etc keep them alive while their immune system learns to defeat the virus. Obviously the older and more ill patients are the ones who tend to die.


    However, if the number of patients increases beyond hospitals' ability to cope, then that all changes. Suddenly all those 40,50,60-something patients who would have survived now start dying in large numbers. So if hospitals are at max capacity and you triple the infection rate, you're going to see something like a 9x an increase in deaths, not 3x.


    The lockdowns we've had so far have each just about kept patient rates below the absolute maximum capacity of the NHS.


  • Oh yes Wally? Are you somewhat confused as to what "hospital admission with Covid" means?  I suggest you actually find out. Do you understand comorbidities and the nature of these on patient outcomes? The number admitted suffering from Covid alone is tiny, and hospitals are always on the brink of overload from about November to March every year. There are at least 50,000 deaths in the pipeline from undiagnosed and untreated other serious (fatal) diseases. You will note that almost no beds have been used in the fantastically expensive Nightingale hospitals, so there are something like 4,000 ventilated ICU beds available at all times. I imagine you watch the BBC propaganda or perhaps read the Guardian. Perhaps you would care to discuss why "lockdowns" do not have much effect but cause the collapse of society? Covid on a death certificate does not mean that, the logical meaning has been changed by LAW! There are 10's of thousands of volunteer people available to assist if necessary, most of these have simply been inundated with irrelevant paperwork and none used. I expect that there are one or two posting here. If your statement were true the average age of the population at death would have lowered significantly, it hasn't, it has moved down by a month or two depending on the "curve" (ONS data). It is still about 83. All those 40-60s you talk about would have had a quite significant effect. Don't forget that around 1600 people die every day on average, even with the Government definition Covid is still about number 23 in cause of death. Cancer, strokes and heart attacks are still way higher in the statistics.
  • You will note that almost no beds have been used in the fantastically expensive Nightingale hospitals, so there are something like 4,000 ventilated ICU beds available at all times

    Wasn't that just a complete cockup - build the beds, but have no skilled staff to do anything with them - so they're completely useless. Typical government wanting to be seen to be doing something. But then it can't really be used as a measure that the normal hospitals weren't overstretched - I'm sure friends on mine working in the NHS or those waiting for postponed treatment would beg to differ.


       - Andy.
  • davezawadi (David Stone):

     All those 40-60s you talk about would have had a quite significant effect.


    You seem to have utterly missed the point I was making, which is that those 40-60's aren't dying, but likely would have had we not had a lockdown. Yes of course COVID isn't the #1 death - but only because we had lockdowns!


  • I heard this week on the BBC (so it must be true) that about 1/4 of the UK population has had Covid. Presumably, if the lockdown and other measures had not been taken, most of us would have had it by now and the hospitalisation and death rates would have been 4 times as high.


    Interestingly, there has not been a 'flu' outbreak this winter - possibly due to the lockdown.


    What is undeniable at the moment is that we are doing very much better than Europe.
  • In my younger days the term 
    "SOMETHING FOR THE WEEKEND?"

    was a phrase used when you went to the barbers( aka Hairdresser)  of a Friday and he asked you if you needed