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DOES IET MAINTAIN ITS 2006 OBJECTIVES FOR ALL

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The Institution of Engineering and Technology (IET) is the largest multidisciplinary professional engineering institution in the world.
Does IET satisfy the aspirations of all its members and potential Professional Engineer members of both genders in the UK?

At the creation of IET in 2006, all members of IET, MIET, were considered to be equal. It was a multidisciplinary PEI for all PE grades and associates of both genders.

We have lost many IEng members.
We have lost many IIE CEng members.
We do not value and do not attract new IEng members, not to mention women and technicians (6% + 1%).
We have done very little to attract women into the Technology disciplines at any of the grades.
Technicians are not really taken into account in IET or in the UK.

This is an IET problem; it seems to be a typical UK PEI problem, or even a UK society problem.

Do the Council, the Board and IET Staff (nearly 500) uphold 2006 vales today?
Have we drifted away from our 2006 objectives?

I have my personal observations; these IET blogs show great discontent, and the UK PE & PEI statistics are deplorable.
I believe that IET has, over the last 10 years, lost its “cap”; it satisfies only a small part of IET membership.
There is perhaps a reason; to work in Technology in the UK today you need to be ECUK registered. To be ECUK registered you need to join a PEI.
IET is the only multidisciplinary PEI open to generalists and novel Technologists.

Do Professional Engineers join just to have access to Technology posts in this hard competitive world?
Do they join for the title and just ignore the objectives of IET in 2006?

Should we continue on this path or should IET change?

John Gowman – MIET 

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    Is CEng of any value in 2017
    An open question (2)to IET.
    I question if CEng is of any value in 2017, I am not the only one to do so.
    The Report UK ENGINEERING 2016 by Prof Eff was called for very a good reason.
    There is doubt about the education and training of Professional Engineers - PE in the UK. The OCDE has stated that the Bologna agreement – L M D is no longer sufficient to produce competent PEs; after MSc PEs need in-house practical training. Many PEs either have practical training integrated into their MSc, the students I have mentored were working professionally on our engineering projects, and were well paid. They were about 50% efficient.
    The IET has not attracted many I Eng registrants in the UK since it was formed in 2006. Most PEs in the UK are not ECUK registered.
    I Eng is a denigrating term with the insinuation that it is a grade for those not reaching CEng. The UK ENGINEERING 2016 proposes to amalgamate I Eng (BSc) with Technician (HNC). This can be only a C Eng proposition, denigrating once more the UK mainstream PE.
    What do we have in the UK?
    Professional engineers poorly educated left to their own resources to prove themselves in the market place. Most are not members of PEIs.
    The UK is unique in being an original technology and political power that failed to keep in pace with evolution.
    Why do we need CEng?
    It is because CEng recruit PEs, They call for CEng only for their posts. The job specifications handled by HR departments or agencies have the first obligation to provide CEng applicants. This is against ECUK requirements.
    A PE with MSc and experience but not CEng is not recruited. This happened to me on the UK Fusion project. UK Fusion even refused members of IET with CEng.
    The UK adopted neo-liberalism in the time of M Thatcher, this has now changed, but the inertia of PEIs is still in this regime.
    The UK, as PM M. May just stated is made up of communities, these are not only religious or ethnic, they are also class and professions, one of which is CEng PEI, they are also horizontal and vertical.
    So to get a good engineering job in the UK you must be CEng full stop.
    To be CEng you have to pass through a subjective selective interview which is again against ECUK directives.
    The UK is leaving Europe – BREXIT, it needs to be Engineeringly strong and dynamic. We need entrepreneurs and ingenious engineers. Our system does not produce such people. It is conservative and restrictive. ECUK registered PEs are a minority in the UK.
    I say to IET, you are lost.
     Since the creation of IET you have turned your backs on the IIE objectives of a PEI for all genders, grades and disciplines. CEng has become a superior elitist grade, denigrating others and in IET denigrating those that are not electrical and IT based.
    I can say this because I have lost all my democratic rights except for paying taxes and passport. In IET I do not even have the right to free speech.
    This defunct and neo-liberalism leads to:

    • Globalisation

    • Commodification of our diplomas and ECUK PE registration

    • It creates communities CEng - Electrical, IT

    • It creates the hegemonic CEng minority, over ruling all other grades.

    • (Hegemony, domination of a minority over majorities in a confederation –CEng over IEng).

    • It creates one-upmanship of foreign PEs who want English and UK PE registration to be above their fellow citizens, and IET and other PEIs cash in on this.

    • In the IIE, CEng was not above any other grade

    • C Eng should be an expert grade with at least MSc or the equivalent gained by projects and experience and approved by the PEI and ECUK .


     
    C Eng could be replaced by MSc, PE-MIET as IEng could be replaced by BSc, PE-MIET, or if you come from one of the three top UK universities BA, PE-MIET. As for honours it is not recognised outside of the UK and is a pure waste of time.
    MBA is not an engineering qualification; it is purely management, needed for neo-liberalism.
    I have contacted the ECUK they confirm that a UK PE with BSc and the right training can be registered FEANI Eur Ing, which means C Eng = I Eng = FEANI if you can speak the language where you work.
    So, is CEng of any use except for working under the orders of a CEng?
    I was refused CEng 5 times, I had to wear the I Eng badge which I have now shed.
    It was denigrating trying to explain that, “yes I am a true PE with more experience than most CEng”.
    Now I am really glad that I was not part of the CEng Hegemony.
    Proud to be a PE MIET

    J Gowman MIET



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