DOES IET MAINTAIN ITS 2006 OBJECTIVES FOR ALL

You'll only see the malcontents posting about their experiences with the IET here.  People who are generally happy with the IET won't bother coming to this web site, just to post that they don't have a problem.  What I've been seeing over the last few months is a lot of posts from a quite small number of discontented people.

You'll only see the malcontents posting about their experiences with the IET here.  People who are generally happy with the IET won't bother coming to this web site, just to post that they don't have a problem.  What I've been seeing over the last few months is a lot of posts from a quite small number of discontented people.

You'll only see the malcontents posting about their experiences with the IET here.  People who are generally happy with the IET won't bother coming to this web site, just to post that they don't have a problem.  What I've been seeing over the last few months is a lot of posts from a quite small number of discontented people.

What do you expect from your PEI – IET
An open question (1)to IET.

• What do you expect from your professional engineering institute PEI?

• Why did you join IET?

• Was it to be UK ^EC Professional Engineer PE registered or was it for other reasons?

 
To register as a professional engineer PE with the United Kingdom Engineering Council UK ^EC you must first be a member of a PEI. To be a registered PE with IET you must pass through a peer review held by IET approved PR Assessors PRA. This is not the requirement of the UK ^EC.
As a PE you have already obtained through academic study and national examinations a HNC, BSc, or MSc, note MBA is not an engineering qualification. Your results are in a national register, and even published in the Daily Telegraph.
To be a registered PE, UK ^EC you need further engineering practical experience. This is shown on you CV and your work certificates. Note to lie about your qualifications or experience could lead you to imprisonment.
References are banned in many countries and this should be the case in the UK, if only it was.
There are HR recruiting agencies with professional people to assess and verify job applicants’ qualifications and experience. So why do we need Professional advisors and assessors? They are of no utility.
So if you join a PEI for simply UK ^EC PE registration, you are going through a totally useless procedure.

 
Is IET or any other PEI a private club, or community, purely for an elite community and one-upmanship?

 
What other reasons are there for joining a PEI and in our case IET?
I joined and soon became a leader in the PEI - ITEME, I joined as I was working abroad for HM Government and wanted to keep in touch with engineering and technology advances and to broaden my personal engineering knowledge. ITEME was a great help. ITEME went on to become IET. ITEME was then in the mechanical technology sector, including scientific research. The big physics experiments are huge mechanical constructions.

 
ITEME amalgamated and I pushed for these amalgamations, we became the Institute of Incorporated Engineers - IIE. This was a PEI for both genders; for all grades, from Technician to Technologist, to PE and to specialists MSC (CEng); including associates such as Para- engineering and scientific disciplines. We were exclusively a UK PEI for UK PEs and residents in the UK, as well as UK citizens working abroad.
You will have noticed that this is the motto of IET.

 
For me the aim of IIE and now IET was to:

• Promote the profession

• To encourage PE membership and UK ^EC PE registration

• To review professional qualifications

• To qualify PEs who came through the practical long route for UK ^EC

• To encourage Continual professional development CPD

• To promote professional training

• To widen the basic competences of PEs

• To help PEs become specialists at I eng or CEng levels.

 
It was not to create an elitist society where one member grade would rule over other grades. We were all equal in our competences.

• We did not need Peer Reviews for membership, I never had a peer review, my qualifications and work certificates were enough.

• Do we need peer reviews in IET?

• Do we need peer review advisors in IET?

 
I was co-editor of our journal, we tried to obtain articles on our profession, we used job adverts for PEs, we had publicity for engineering items.
Our journal had no science fiction and was peer reviewed.

 
What do we need from IET apart from UK ^EC PE registration?

 
J Gowman MIET

What do you expect from your PEI – IET
An open question (1)to IET.

• What do you expect from your professional engineering institute PEI?

• Why did you join IET?

• Was it to be UK ^EC Professional Engineer PE registered or was it for other reasons?

 
To register as a professional engineer PE with the United Kingdom Engineering Council UK ^EC you must first be a member of a PEI. To be a registered PE with IET you must pass through a peer review held by IET approved PR Assessors PRA. This is not the requirement of the UK ^EC.
As a PE you have already obtained through academic study and national examinations a HNC, BSc, or MSc, note MBA is not an engineering qualification. Your results are in a national register, and even published in the Daily Telegraph.
To be a registered PE, UK ^EC you need further engineering practical experience. This is shown on you CV and your work certificates. Note to lie about your qualifications or experience could lead you to imprisonment.
References are banned in many countries and this should be the case in the UK, if only it was.
There are HR recruiting agencies with professional people to assess and verify job applicants’ qualifications and experience. So why do we need Professional advisors and assessors? They are of no utility.
So if you join a PEI for simply UK ^EC PE registration, you are going through a totally useless procedure.

 
Is IET or any other PEI a private club, or community, purely for an elite community and one-upmanship?

 
What other reasons are there for joining a PEI and in our case IET?
I joined and soon became a leader in the PEI - ITEME, I joined as I was working abroad for HM Government and wanted to keep in touch with engineering and technology advances and to broaden my personal engineering knowledge. ITEME was a great help. ITEME went on to become IET. ITEME was then in the mechanical technology sector, including scientific research. The big physics experiments are huge mechanical constructions.

 
ITEME amalgamated and I pushed for these amalgamations, we became the Institute of Incorporated Engineers - IIE. This was a PEI for both genders; for all grades, from Technician to Technologist, to PE and to specialists MSC (CEng); including associates such as Para- engineering and scientific disciplines. We were exclusively a UK PEI for UK PEs and residents in the UK, as well as UK citizens working abroad.
You will have noticed that this is the motto of IET.

 
For me the aim of IIE and now IET was to:

• Promote the profession

• To encourage PE membership and UK ^EC PE registration

• To review professional qualifications

• To qualify PEs who came through the practical long route for UK ^EC

• To encourage Continual professional development CPD

• To promote professional training

• To widen the basic competences of PEs

• To help PEs become specialists at I eng or CEng levels.

 
It was not to create an elitist society where one member grade would rule over other grades. We were all equal in our competences.

• We did not need Peer Reviews for membership, I never had a peer review, my qualifications and work certificates were enough.

• Do we need peer reviews in IET?

• Do we need peer review advisors in IET?

 
I was co-editor of our journal, we tried to obtain articles on our profession, we used job adverts for PEs, we had publicity for engineering items.
Our journal had no science fiction and was peer reviewed.

 
What do we need from IET apart from UK ^EC PE registration?

 
J Gowman MIET

What do you expect from your PEI – IET
An open question (1)to IET.

• What do you expect from your professional engineering institute PEI?

• Why did you join IET?

• Was it to be UK ^EC Professional Engineer PE registered or was it for other reasons?

 
To register as a professional engineer PE with the United Kingdom Engineering Council UK ^EC you must first be a member of a PEI. To be a registered PE with IET you must pass through a peer review held by IET approved PR Assessors PRA. This is not the requirement of the UK ^EC.
As a PE you have already obtained through academic study and national examinations a HNC, BSc, or MSc, note MBA is not an engineering qualification. Your results are in a national register, and even published in the Daily Telegraph.
To be a registered PE, UK ^EC you need further engineering practical experience. This is shown on you CV and your work certificates. Note to lie about your qualifications or experience could lead you to imprisonment.
References are banned in many countries and this should be the case in the UK, if only it was.
There are HR recruiting agencies with professional people to assess and verify job applicants’ qualifications and experience. So why do we need Professional advisors and assessors? They are of no utility.
So if you join a PEI for simply UK ^EC PE registration, you are going through a totally useless procedure.

 
Is IET or any other PEI a private club, or community, purely for an elite community and one-upmanship?

 
What other reasons are there for joining a PEI and in our case IET?
I joined and soon became a leader in the PEI - ITEME, I joined as I was working abroad for HM Government and wanted to keep in touch with engineering and technology advances and to broaden my personal engineering knowledge. ITEME was a great help. ITEME went on to become IET. ITEME was then in the mechanical technology sector, including scientific research. The big physics experiments are huge mechanical constructions.

 
ITEME amalgamated and I pushed for these amalgamations, we became the Institute of Incorporated Engineers - IIE. This was a PEI for both genders; for all grades, from Technician to Technologist, to PE and to specialists MSC (CEng); including associates such as Para- engineering and scientific disciplines. We were exclusively a UK PEI for UK PEs and residents in the UK, as well as UK citizens working abroad.
You will have noticed that this is the motto of IET.

 
For me the aim of IIE and now IET was to:

• Promote the profession

• To encourage PE membership and UK ^EC PE registration

• To review professional qualifications

• To qualify PEs who came through the practical long route for UK ^EC

• To encourage Continual professional development CPD

• To promote professional training

• To widen the basic competences of PEs

• To help PEs become specialists at I eng or CEng levels.

 
It was not to create an elitist society where one member grade would rule over other grades. We were all equal in our competences.

• We did not need Peer Reviews for membership, I never had a peer review, my qualifications and work certificates were enough.

• Do we need peer reviews in IET?

• Do we need peer review advisors in IET?

 
I was co-editor of our journal, we tried to obtain articles on our profession, we used job adverts for PEs, we had publicity for engineering items.
Our journal had no science fiction and was peer reviewed.

 
What do we need from IET apart from UK ^EC PE registration?

 
J Gowman MIET

Is CEng of any value in 2017
An open question (2)to IET.
I question if CEng is of any value in 2017, I am not the only one to do so.
The Report UK ENGINEERING 2016 by Prof Eff was called for very a good reason.
There is doubt about the education and training of Professional Engineers - PE in the UK. The OCDE has stated that the Bologna agreement – L M D is no longer sufficient to produce competent PEs; after MSc PEs need in-house practical training. Many PEs either have practical training integrated into their MSc, the students I have mentored were working professionally on our engineering projects, and were well paid. They were about 50% efficient.
The IET has not attracted many I Eng registrants in the UK since it was formed in 2006. Most PEs in the UK are not EC^UK registered.
I Eng is a denigrating term with the insinuation that it is a grade for those not reaching CEng. The UK ENGINEERING 2016 proposes to amalgamate I Eng (BSc) with Technician (HNC). This can be only a C Eng proposition, denigrating once more the UK mainstream PE.
What do we have in the UK?
Professional engineers poorly educated left to their own resources to prove themselves in the market place. Most are not members of PEIs.
The UK is unique in being an original technology and political power that failed to keep in pace with evolution.
Why do we need CEng?
It is because CEng recruit PEs, They call for CEng only for their posts. The job specifications handled by HR departments or agencies have the first obligation to provide CEng applicants. This is against EC^UK requirements.
A PE with MSc and experience but not CEng is not recruited. This happened to me on the UK Fusion project. UK Fusion even refused members of IET with CEng.
The UK adopted neo-liberalism in the time of M Thatcher, this has now changed, but the inertia of PEIs is still in this regime.
The UK, as PM M. May just stated is made up of communities, these are not only religious or ethnic, they are also class and professions, one of which is CEng PEI, they are also horizontal and vertical.
So to get a good engineering job in the UK you must be CEng full stop.
To be CEng you have to pass through a subjective selective interview which is again against EC^UK directives.
The UK is leaving Europe – BREXIT, it needs to be Engineeringly strong and dynamic. We need entrepreneurs and ingenious engineers. Our system does not produce such people. It is conservative and restrictive. EC^UK registered PEs are a minority in the UK.
I say to IET, you are lost.
 Since the creation of IET you have turned your backs on the IIE objectives of a PEI for all genders, grades and disciplines. CEng has become a superior elitist grade, denigrating others and in IET denigrating those that are not electrical and IT based.
I can say this because I have lost all my democratic rights except for paying taxes and passport. In IET I do not even have the right to free speech.
This defunct and neo-liberalism leads to:

• Globalisation

• Commodification of our diplomas and EC^UK PE registration

• It creates communities CEng - Electrical, IT

• It creates the hegemonic CEng minority, over ruling all other grades.

• (Hegemony, domination of a minority over majorities in a confederation –CEng over IEng).

• It creates one-upmanship of foreign PEs who want English and UK PE registration to be above their fellow citizens, and IET and other PEIs cash in on this.

• In the IIE, CEng was not above any other grade

• C Eng should be an expert grade with at least MSc or the equivalent gained by projects and experience and approved by the PEI and EC^UK .

 
C Eng could be replaced by MSc, PE-MIET as IEng could be replaced by BSc, PE-MIET, or if you come from one of the three top UK universities BA, PE-MIET. As for honours it is not recognised outside of the UK and is a pure waste of time.
MBA is not an engineering qualification; it is purely management, needed for neo-liberalism.
I have contacted the EC^UK they confirm that a UK PE with BSc and the right training can be registered FEANI Eur Ing, which means C Eng = I Eng = FEANI if you can speak the language where you work.
So, is CEng of any use except for working under the orders of a CEng?
I was refused CEng 5 times, I had to wear the I Eng badge which I have now shed.
It was denigrating trying to explain that, “yes I am a true PE with more experience than most CEng”.
Now I am really glad that I was not part of the CEng Hegemony.
Proud to be a PE MIET

J Gowman MIET

Is CEng of any value in 2017
An open question (2)to IET.
I question if CEng is of any value in 2017, I am not the only one to do so.
The Report UK ENGINEERING 2016 by Prof Eff was called for very a good reason.
There is doubt about the education and training of Professional Engineers - PE in the UK. The OCDE has stated that the Bologna agreement – L M D is no longer sufficient to produce competent PEs; after MSc PEs need in-house practical training. Many PEs either have practical training integrated into their MSc, the students I have mentored were working professionally on our engineering projects, and were well paid. They were about 50% efficient.
The IET has not attracted many I Eng registrants in the UK since it was formed in 2006. Most PEs in the UK are not EC^UK registered.
I Eng is a denigrating term with the insinuation that it is a grade for those not reaching CEng. The UK ENGINEERING 2016 proposes to amalgamate I Eng (BSc) with Technician (HNC). This can be only a C Eng proposition, denigrating once more the UK mainstream PE.
What do we have in the UK?
Professional engineers poorly educated left to their own resources to prove themselves in the market place. Most are not members of PEIs.
The UK is unique in being an original technology and political power that failed to keep in pace with evolution.
Why do we need CEng?
It is because CEng recruit PEs, They call for CEng only for their posts. The job specifications handled by HR departments or agencies have the first obligation to provide CEng applicants. This is against EC^UK requirements.
A PE with MSc and experience but not CEng is not recruited. This happened to me on the UK Fusion project. UK Fusion even refused members of IET with CEng.
The UK adopted neo-liberalism in the time of M Thatcher, this has now changed, but the inertia of PEIs is still in this regime.
The UK, as PM M. May just stated is made up of communities, these are not only religious or ethnic, they are also class and professions, one of which is CEng PEI, they are also horizontal and vertical.
So to get a good engineering job in the UK you must be CEng full stop.
To be CEng you have to pass through a subjective selective interview which is again against EC^UK directives.
The UK is leaving Europe – BREXIT, it needs to be Engineeringly strong and dynamic. We need entrepreneurs and ingenious engineers. Our system does not produce such people. It is conservative and restrictive. EC^UK registered PEs are a minority in the UK.
I say to IET, you are lost.
 Since the creation of IET you have turned your backs on the IIE objectives of a PEI for all genders, grades and disciplines. CEng has become a superior elitist grade, denigrating others and in IET denigrating those that are not electrical and IT based.
I can say this because I have lost all my democratic rights except for paying taxes and passport. In IET I do not even have the right to free speech.
This defunct and neo-liberalism leads to:

• Globalisation

• Commodification of our diplomas and EC^UK PE registration

• It creates communities CEng - Electrical, IT

• It creates the hegemonic CEng minority, over ruling all other grades.

• (Hegemony, domination of a minority over majorities in a confederation –CEng over IEng).

• It creates one-upmanship of foreign PEs who want English and UK PE registration to be above their fellow citizens, and IET and other PEIs cash in on this.

• In the IIE, CEng was not above any other grade

• C Eng should be an expert grade with at least MSc or the equivalent gained by projects and experience and approved by the PEI and EC^UK .

 
C Eng could be replaced by MSc, PE-MIET as IEng could be replaced by BSc, PE-MIET, or if you come from one of the three top UK universities BA, PE-MIET. As for honours it is not recognised outside of the UK and is a pure waste of time.
MBA is not an engineering qualification; it is purely management, needed for neo-liberalism.
I have contacted the EC^UK they confirm that a UK PE with BSc and the right training can be registered FEANI Eur Ing, which means C Eng = I Eng = FEANI if you can speak the language where you work.
So, is CEng of any use except for working under the orders of a CEng?
I was refused CEng 5 times, I had to wear the I Eng badge which I have now shed.
It was denigrating trying to explain that, “yes I am a true PE with more experience than most CEng”.
Now I am really glad that I was not part of the CEng Hegemony.
Proud to be a PE MIET

J Gowman MIET

Is CEng of any value in 2017
An open question (2)to IET.
I question if CEng is of any value in 2017, I am not the only one to do so.
The Report UK ENGINEERING 2016 by Prof Eff was called for very a good reason.
There is doubt about the education and training of Professional Engineers - PE in the UK. The OCDE has stated that the Bologna agreement – L M D is no longer sufficient to produce competent PEs; after MSc PEs need in-house practical training. Many PEs either have practical training integrated into their MSc, the students I have mentored were working professionally on our engineering projects, and were well paid. They were about 50% efficient.
The IET has not attracted many I Eng registrants in the UK since it was formed in 2006. Most PEs in the UK are not EC^UK registered.
I Eng is a denigrating term with the insinuation that it is a grade for those not reaching CEng. The UK ENGINEERING 2016 proposes to amalgamate I Eng (BSc) with Technician (HNC). This can be only a C Eng proposition, denigrating once more the UK mainstream PE.
What do we have in the UK?
Professional engineers poorly educated left to their own resources to prove themselves in the market place. Most are not members of PEIs.
The UK is unique in being an original technology and political power that failed to keep in pace with evolution.
Why do we need CEng?
It is because CEng recruit PEs, They call for CEng only for their posts. The job specifications handled by HR departments or agencies have the first obligation to provide CEng applicants. This is against EC^UK requirements.
A PE with MSc and experience but not CEng is not recruited. This happened to me on the UK Fusion project. UK Fusion even refused members of IET with CEng.
The UK adopted neo-liberalism in the time of M Thatcher, this has now changed, but the inertia of PEIs is still in this regime.
The UK, as PM M. May just stated is made up of communities, these are not only religious or ethnic, they are also class and professions, one of which is CEng PEI, they are also horizontal and vertical.
So to get a good engineering job in the UK you must be CEng full stop.
To be CEng you have to pass through a subjective selective interview which is again against EC^UK directives.
The UK is leaving Europe – BREXIT, it needs to be Engineeringly strong and dynamic. We need entrepreneurs and ingenious engineers. Our system does not produce such people. It is conservative and restrictive. EC^UK registered PEs are a minority in the UK.
I say to IET, you are lost.
 Since the creation of IET you have turned your backs on the IIE objectives of a PEI for all genders, grades and disciplines. CEng has become a superior elitist grade, denigrating others and in IET denigrating those that are not electrical and IT based.
I can say this because I have lost all my democratic rights except for paying taxes and passport. In IET I do not even have the right to free speech.
This defunct and neo-liberalism leads to:

• Globalisation

• Commodification of our diplomas and EC^UK PE registration

• It creates communities CEng - Electrical, IT

• It creates the hegemonic CEng minority, over ruling all other grades.

• (Hegemony, domination of a minority over majorities in a confederation –CEng over IEng).

• It creates one-upmanship of foreign PEs who want English and UK PE registration to be above their fellow citizens, and IET and other PEIs cash in on this.

• In the IIE, CEng was not above any other grade

• C Eng should be an expert grade with at least MSc or the equivalent gained by projects and experience and approved by the PEI and EC^UK .

 
C Eng could be replaced by MSc, PE-MIET as IEng could be replaced by BSc, PE-MIET, or if you come from one of the three top UK universities BA, PE-MIET. As for honours it is not recognised outside of the UK and is a pure waste of time.
MBA is not an engineering qualification; it is purely management, needed for neo-liberalism.
I have contacted the EC^UK they confirm that a UK PE with BSc and the right training can be registered FEANI Eur Ing, which means C Eng = I Eng = FEANI if you can speak the language where you work.
So, is CEng of any use except for working under the orders of a CEng?
I was refused CEng 5 times, I had to wear the I Eng badge which I have now shed.
It was denigrating trying to explain that, “yes I am a true PE with more experience than most CEng”.
Now I am really glad that I was not part of the CEng Hegemony.
Proud to be a PE MIET

J Gowman MIET

John Gowman asked:

Is IET or any other PEI a private club, or community, purely for an elite community and one-upmanship?

Neither.  The IET is a registerrd charity.  It's aims, as registered with the Charity Commisions is as follows (and apologies for the block capitals, but that's the way it's recorded):

EDUCATION, POLICY & AWARENESS ACTIVITIES ENGAGE THE PUBLIC IN THE ROLE OF SCIENCE, ENGINEERING & TECHNOLOGY IN ENHANCING PEOPLES' LIVES.

IET GATHERS & DISTRIBUTES KNOWLEDGE CONTENT VIA A VARIETY OF CHANNELS TO A GLOBAL AUDIENCE, DRAWING ON THE UNIQUE STRENGTHS OF ITS MEMBERSHIP.

MEMBERSHIP & PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOCUSES ON CAREER LONG PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT & REGISTRATION OF INDIVIDUALS.