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DOES IET MAINTAIN ITS 2006 OBJECTIVES FOR ALL

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The Institution of Engineering and Technology (IET) is the largest multidisciplinary professional engineering institution in the world.
Does IET satisfy the aspirations of all its members and potential Professional Engineer members of both genders in the UK?

At the creation of IET in 2006, all members of IET, MIET, were considered to be equal. It was a multidisciplinary PEI for all PE grades and associates of both genders.

We have lost many IEng members.
We have lost many IIE CEng members.
We do not value and do not attract new IEng members, not to mention women and technicians (6% + 1%).
We have done very little to attract women into the Technology disciplines at any of the grades.
Technicians are not really taken into account in IET or in the UK.

This is an IET problem; it seems to be a typical UK PEI problem, or even a UK society problem.

Do the Council, the Board and IET Staff (nearly 500) uphold 2006 vales today?
Have we drifted away from our 2006 objectives?

I have my personal observations; these IET blogs show great discontent, and the UK PE & PEI statistics are deplorable.
I believe that IET has, over the last 10 years, lost its “cap”; it satisfies only a small part of IET membership.
There is perhaps a reason; to work in Technology in the UK today you need to be ECUK registered. To be ECUK registered you need to join a PEI.
IET is the only multidisciplinary PEI open to generalists and novel Technologists.

Do Professional Engineers join just to have access to Technology posts in this hard competitive world?
Do they join for the title and just ignore the objectives of IET in 2006?

Should we continue on this path or should IET change?

John Gowman – MIET 

  • 0 in reply to Zoomup
    John Gowman asked:

    Is IET or any other PEI a private club, or community, purely for an elite community and one-upmanship?



    Neither.  The IET is a registerrd charity.  It's aims, as registered with the Charity Commisions is as follows (and apologies for the block capitals, but that's the way it's recorded):


    EDUCATION, POLICY & AWARENESS ACTIVITIES ENGAGE THE PUBLIC IN THE ROLE OF SCIENCE, ENGINEERING & TECHNOLOGY IN ENHANCING PEOPLES' LIVES.

    IET GATHERS & DISTRIBUTES KNOWLEDGE CONTENT VIA A VARIETY OF CHANNELS TO A GLOBAL AUDIENCE, DRAWING ON THE UNIQUE STRENGTHS OF ITS MEMBERSHIP.

    MEMBERSHIP & PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOCUSES ON CAREER LONG PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT & REGISTRATION OF INDIVIDUALS.



  • 0 in reply to Zoomup
    John Gowman asked:

    Is IET or any other PEI a private club, or community, purely for an elite community and one-upmanship?



    Neither.  The IET is a registerrd charity.  It's aims, as registered with the Charity Commisions is as follows (and apologies for the block capitals, but that's the way it's recorded):


    EDUCATION, POLICY & AWARENESS ACTIVITIES ENGAGE THE PUBLIC IN THE ROLE OF SCIENCE, ENGINEERING & TECHNOLOGY IN ENHANCING PEOPLES' LIVES.

    IET GATHERS & DISTRIBUTES KNOWLEDGE CONTENT VIA A VARIETY OF CHANNELS TO A GLOBAL AUDIENCE, DRAWING ON THE UNIQUE STRENGTHS OF ITS MEMBERSHIP.

    MEMBERSHIP & PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOCUSES ON CAREER LONG PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT & REGISTRATION OF INDIVIDUALS.



  • 0 in reply to Zoomup

    Maurice Poole:

    Whom are you calling malcontent?  I am not.




    OK, I will give you that.  There are also the people who post to defend the IET.

  • 0 in reply to Zoomup

    Maurice Poole:

    Whom are you calling malcontent?  I am not.




    OK, I will give you that.  There are also the people who post to defend the IET.

  • 0 in reply to Zoomup

    Maurice Poole:

    Whom are you calling malcontent?  I am not.




    OK, I will give you that.  There are also the people who post to defend the IET.

  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Zoomup
    Should we register PEs not UK citizens or residents
    An open question (3)to IET. 

    • Do we need to register with the ECUK persons not resident in the UK or not UK citizens?

    • Should we have a separate register, as for UK passports giving right to abode, so that these IET members can be recognised as professionals in the UK?


     
    IET with its MBA principles has kept to the out of date, neo-liberalist ideals. These started with the globalisation and commodification, selling anything for profit that had no previous value.
    This started with the selling of standard English abroad to foreign countries where English was not a lingua franca.
    The USA soon took the lead and Standard English is no longer UK English. A whole industry was set up.
    The British Chamber of Commerce soon cashed in on this, selling University diplomas abroad.
    The PEIs piggy backed on this market, selling PEI membership to PEs abroad. The natives in non English speaking countries, once fluent in one of the many Englishes, then gained diplomas in Engineering in English, to gain advantage over their fellow citizens. They requested membership of UK PEIs. This gave them a lead in the global markets and an access to the UK, if they were ECUK I Eng or CEng.
    Thus, these PEs were above their fellow PEs in titles but not in knowledge.
    IET has taken advantage of this situation to boost its membership to 168 000 and to create a staff of over 500.
    These people are compulsory buyers of the E&T journal, what a captive market!

     
    UK PEs are now being edged out of their own UK PEIs in their own country. Try being a registered PE in Canada, Australia, USA, or African or Asian countries; they are not so benevolent.

     
    Let’s not be racist but be patriotic, (as is Trump), ECUK registration should be for UK residents and citizens. Should we have a second identical registration – ECUK Bis?

     
    Is CEng being sold for commodification and profit? Playing on the one-upmanship of foreign PEs over their compatriots, piggy backing on English as a foreign language, purely for elitist values to inflate the coffers of IET?
    I am not against our foreign members, we can help them advance technology in their countries, and we can learn a lot from them. I have worked with most countries worldwide; we certainly have to broaden our knowledge of what is happening in engineering & technology. They are useful equal members, but they should not be able to overrule ECUK and IET.
    Their countries often block UK PEs from working so let’s be realistic.
    In France the majority of foreign PEs are in fact French, hired in neighbouring countries at higher wages and lower taxes. Stop this globalisation at any cost.
    J Gowman BA MIET.
    Posted 25 June 2017
  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Zoomup
    Should we register PEs not UK citizens or residents
    An open question (3)to IET. 

    • Do we need to register with the ECUK persons not resident in the UK or not UK citizens?

    • Should we have a separate register, as for UK passports giving right to abode, so that these IET members can be recognised as professionals in the UK?


     
    IET with its MBA principles has kept to the out of date, neo-liberalist ideals. These started with the globalisation and commodification, selling anything for profit that had no previous value.
    This started with the selling of standard English abroad to foreign countries where English was not a lingua franca.
    The USA soon took the lead and Standard English is no longer UK English. A whole industry was set up.
    The British Chamber of Commerce soon cashed in on this, selling University diplomas abroad.
    The PEIs piggy backed on this market, selling PEI membership to PEs abroad. The natives in non English speaking countries, once fluent in one of the many Englishes, then gained diplomas in Engineering in English, to gain advantage over their fellow citizens. They requested membership of UK PEIs. This gave them a lead in the global markets and an access to the UK, if they were ECUK I Eng or CEng.
    Thus, these PEs were above their fellow PEs in titles but not in knowledge.
    IET has taken advantage of this situation to boost its membership to 168 000 and to create a staff of over 500.
    These people are compulsory buyers of the E&T journal, what a captive market!

     
    UK PEs are now being edged out of their own UK PEIs in their own country. Try being a registered PE in Canada, Australia, USA, or African or Asian countries; they are not so benevolent.

     
    Let’s not be racist but be patriotic, (as is Trump), ECUK registration should be for UK residents and citizens. Should we have a second identical registration – ECUK Bis?

     
    Is CEng being sold for commodification and profit? Playing on the one-upmanship of foreign PEs over their compatriots, piggy backing on English as a foreign language, purely for elitist values to inflate the coffers of IET?
    I am not against our foreign members, we can help them advance technology in their countries, and we can learn a lot from them. I have worked with most countries worldwide; we certainly have to broaden our knowledge of what is happening in engineering & technology. They are useful equal members, but they should not be able to overrule ECUK and IET.
    Their countries often block UK PEs from working so let’s be realistic.
    In France the majority of foreign PEs are in fact French, hired in neighbouring countries at higher wages and lower taxes. Stop this globalisation at any cost.
    J Gowman BA MIET.
    Posted 25 June 2017
  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Zoomup
    Should we register PEs not UK citizens or residents
    An open question (3)to IET. 

    • Do we need to register with the ECUK persons not resident in the UK or not UK citizens?

    • Should we have a separate register, as for UK passports giving right to abode, so that these IET members can be recognised as professionals in the UK?


     
    IET with its MBA principles has kept to the out of date, neo-liberalist ideals. These started with the globalisation and commodification, selling anything for profit that had no previous value.
    This started with the selling of standard English abroad to foreign countries where English was not a lingua franca.
    The USA soon took the lead and Standard English is no longer UK English. A whole industry was set up.
    The British Chamber of Commerce soon cashed in on this, selling University diplomas abroad.
    The PEIs piggy backed on this market, selling PEI membership to PEs abroad. The natives in non English speaking countries, once fluent in one of the many Englishes, then gained diplomas in Engineering in English, to gain advantage over their fellow citizens. They requested membership of UK PEIs. This gave them a lead in the global markets and an access to the UK, if they were ECUK I Eng or CEng.
    Thus, these PEs were above their fellow PEs in titles but not in knowledge.
    IET has taken advantage of this situation to boost its membership to 168 000 and to create a staff of over 500.
    These people are compulsory buyers of the E&T journal, what a captive market!

     
    UK PEs are now being edged out of their own UK PEIs in their own country. Try being a registered PE in Canada, Australia, USA, or African or Asian countries; they are not so benevolent.

     
    Let’s not be racist but be patriotic, (as is Trump), ECUK registration should be for UK residents and citizens. Should we have a second identical registration – ECUK Bis?

     
    Is CEng being sold for commodification and profit? Playing on the one-upmanship of foreign PEs over their compatriots, piggy backing on English as a foreign language, purely for elitist values to inflate the coffers of IET?
    I am not against our foreign members, we can help them advance technology in their countries, and we can learn a lot from them. I have worked with most countries worldwide; we certainly have to broaden our knowledge of what is happening in engineering & technology. They are useful equal members, but they should not be able to overrule ECUK and IET.
    Their countries often block UK PEs from working so let’s be realistic.
    In France the majority of foreign PEs are in fact French, hired in neighbouring countries at higher wages and lower taxes. Stop this globalisation at any cost.
    J Gowman BA MIET.
    Posted 25 June 2017
  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Zoomup
    John,
    The key word is - CEng is an international engineering qualification.
    I would argue the opposite from your point - The Engineering Council regulates professional engineering titles in the UK. With more than 180,000 registrants from many countries, designation as a Chartered Engineer is one of the most recognizable international engineering qualifications. And it being such is also a contribution from non UK CEng's.

    The CEng are not license to practice Engineering, In Canada or USA the PE is a license.

    An example is a CEng who is working in another country in a major high tech company.

    That CEng is a successful Engineer who represents his registration with honor. What does it to the promotion of UK Engineering?  BTW it can be international company with divisions in UK, US and other countries.

    In reality if you are CEng, then in US or Canada its not a license like PE.

    You will have to take exams and apply for license and provide Washington Accord degree or similar.

    Another point is that if foreign Engineer is a CEng but is not UK Citizen then they can't work in UK leagaly, so there is no harm to UK Engineers.

     



  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Zoomup
    John,
    The key word is - CEng is an international engineering qualification.
    I would argue the opposite from your point - The Engineering Council regulates professional engineering titles in the UK. With more than 180,000 registrants from many countries, designation as a Chartered Engineer is one of the most recognizable international engineering qualifications. And it being such is also a contribution from non UK CEng's.

    The CEng are not license to practice Engineering, In Canada or USA the PE is a license.

    An example is a CEng who is working in another country in a major high tech company.

    That CEng is a successful Engineer who represents his registration with honor. What does it to the promotion of UK Engineering?  BTW it can be international company with divisions in UK, US and other countries.

    In reality if you are CEng, then in US or Canada its not a license like PE.

    You will have to take exams and apply for license and provide Washington Accord degree or similar.

    Another point is that if foreign Engineer is a CEng but is not UK Citizen then they can't work in UK leagaly, so there is no harm to UK Engineers.

     



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