Free Electricity.

Could the PRINCIPLE used here be utilised to generate free electricity in certain cases?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BqOhHcTzeM

Z.

  • No it is not a source of free electrical or other energy. A hydraulic ram produces a small volume of high pressure water from a larger flow of low pressure water. Useful for domestic water supply in isolated premises.

    There is no question of any net increase in energy.

  • You could in theory use the output of the hydraulic ram to generate electricity, but you would likely do far better just using the original stream flow for the same purpose - far less inefficient.

    Given a large flow of water they are a useful means of making a small amount of water flow uphill - they were quite popular in some upland rural areas, and even today you can come across odd places in the Dales where there's a small brick construction in a stream making a regular ker-chunk noise, pumping water up to a farmhouse.

        - Andy.

  • The source in the video had a very slow flow rate and the water level was low. The upper container could be filled slowly and then used as needed to run a hydro turbine generator. If there was a fast flowing stream nearby then that would be used as a source.

    Z.

  • It's all very simple really. The flowing water has some potential energy by virtue of flowing downhill and some kinetic energy by virtue of flowing. Some of it can be captured by a water wheel or turbine, etc.

    I wonder what the power of an average water mill used to be - several kW?

  • All very good if there is a good mill race.

    or

  • Most hydro schemes need a good head and flow of water. This scheme uses water from a very high lochan on a mountain.

  • You need a surprisingly large flow rate at a low head to produce any meaningful power. In the days when E Devon was the copper/arsenic capital of the world they had 40 ft + dia water wheels, their problem then was sourcing the materials that could withstand the enormous torque. They built a canal from the Tavy, at Tavistock, to Morwellan on the Tamar, including, at the time, the longest tunnel, to provide power to the mines as well as ttransport ( special barges were built locally). The canal's still operational and supplies a small hydro plant but despite the considerable head the clue is small.

  • Isn't it like electrical power? We can have a large flow at a slow rate OR a small flow at a fast rate to develop the same amount of power, using suitable equipment in each case.

    The Pelton wheel or Pelton Turbine is an impulse-type water turbine invented by American inventor Lester Allan Pelton in the 1870s.[1][2] The Pelton wheel extracts energy from the impulse of moving water, as opposed to water's dead weight like the traditional overshot water wheel. Many earlier variations of impulse turbines existed, but they were less efficient than Pelton's design. Water leaving those wheels typically still had high speed, carrying away much of the dynamic energy brought to the wheels. Pelton's paddle geometry was designed so that when the rim ran at half the speed of the water jet, the water left the wheel with very little speed; thus his design extracted almost all of the water's impulse energy—which made for a very efficient turbine.

    Z.

  • Micro hydro-generation.

  • Isn't it like electrical power? We can have a large flow at a slow rate OR a small flow at a fast rate to develop the same amount of power, using suitable equipment in each case.

    In principle yes. Pelton wheels (and there are a number of variations on the same basic design) are indeed pretty efficient with high heads of water. The speed of the water is ultimately driven by the head of water available (less resistance of whatever pipe or channel contains it) - so the maximum available power is still dependent on the head, and weight of water flowing every second. Power = m x g x h (m = mass of water (in kg, or litres if you prefer), g = force due to gravity = 9.8N/kg, h=height difference in metres.) Answer is in Watts (not kW), In small systems reckon on about 50% in efficiency losses.

       - Andy.