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adiabatic equation - 2.5 2c SWA

I don't get involved with adiabatic equations all to often, hence I'm a bit rusty! I'm trying to calculate the R1+R2 for a 2 core 2.5mm SWA. Obviously the R1 is the easy bit, I'm struggling with the SWA as the R2.  I saw a link to a table on the old forum but I can't find it now. Any ideas?


Thanks Stewart
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  • Farmboy:



    What I'm getting at is asking your advice.

     

    Specifically, I'm asking whether Zs can still be used to determine the level of fault current to use in the adiabatic equation, as was suggested in section 8.4.2 of the EIDG (2015), for low levels of fault current (defined in that edn as being below 3kA), or whether that method has now been removed from the 18th edn. If it has, so be it, and it's a case of using the energy let-through data from the manufacturer, or the BS. I don't have the book yet, so that's all I was asking: has it been removed?


    If it has been removed, that begs the question then of what protective device fault level should be used if a measured value indicates a low fault level. For example, if a 100A single phase domestic supply has measured loop impedance values at the origin of 1200amps L-N and L-E (just examples), and cb's to BS EN 60898 are used, what device kA fault level should be used, to then determine the respective kA2S value for that fault level to use in the adiabatic equation (would it be minimum 6kA fault level, to comply with the 16kA rating of CU's to BS EN 61439 on a 100A supply)? 



     




    The method is still valid, but it does NOT involve finding Zs of the circuit - see note in (b) below


    It's first necessary to determine the fault level to choose which method to use. The largest fault level occurs at the start of the cable, so therefore effectively Ze in a single-DBOl installation, or Zdb (at the DB, FCU, etc.) otherwise


    (a) If the fault level is over 3 kA, use the energy let-through of the device per the standard, or the manufacturer's data, as per §8.5 of EIDG.


    (b) If the fault level is less than 3 kA, use the method per para 1 of §8.4.2 of EIDG, Table 8.2 is an example of the "answers" for Type D mcb's.
    NOTE: The data in Table 8.2 of EIDG is NOT based on the fault current calculated by Zs of the actual circuit, but based on the current obtained by Figure 3A6 of BS 7671 - or effectively 5In for a Type B, 10In for a Type C, or 2Infor a Type D.
    Hence, even with this method, it is not necessary to know R1+R2.

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  • Farmboy:



    What I'm getting at is asking your advice.

     

    Specifically, I'm asking whether Zs can still be used to determine the level of fault current to use in the adiabatic equation, as was suggested in section 8.4.2 of the EIDG (2015), for low levels of fault current (defined in that edn as being below 3kA), or whether that method has now been removed from the 18th edn. If it has, so be it, and it's a case of using the energy let-through data from the manufacturer, or the BS. I don't have the book yet, so that's all I was asking: has it been removed?


    If it has been removed, that begs the question then of what protective device fault level should be used if a measured value indicates a low fault level. For example, if a 100A single phase domestic supply has measured loop impedance values at the origin of 1200amps L-N and L-E (just examples), and cb's to BS EN 60898 are used, what device kA fault level should be used, to then determine the respective kA2S value for that fault level to use in the adiabatic equation (would it be minimum 6kA fault level, to comply with the 16kA rating of CU's to BS EN 61439 on a 100A supply)? 



     




    The method is still valid, but it does NOT involve finding Zs of the circuit - see note in (b) below


    It's first necessary to determine the fault level to choose which method to use. The largest fault level occurs at the start of the cable, so therefore effectively Ze in a single-DBOl installation, or Zdb (at the DB, FCU, etc.) otherwise


    (a) If the fault level is over 3 kA, use the energy let-through of the device per the standard, or the manufacturer's data, as per §8.5 of EIDG.


    (b) If the fault level is less than 3 kA, use the method per para 1 of §8.4.2 of EIDG, Table 8.2 is an example of the "answers" for Type D mcb's.
    NOTE: The data in Table 8.2 of EIDG is NOT based on the fault current calculated by Zs of the actual circuit, but based on the current obtained by Figure 3A6 of BS 7671 - or effectively 5In for a Type B, 10In for a Type C, or 2Infor a Type D.
    Hence, even with this method, it is not necessary to know R1+R2.

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