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EVs, Street furniture, PME and TT configurations

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Good afternoon all,


I'm part of one of the teams installing the EV charging points around London and we keep running into the same situations and problems when going through the site selection process - proximity of other electrified street furniture to the units we are installing (as well as potentially plugged in cars which is measured to the edge of the parking bay.)

Regs say that any EV installation cannot be connected to a PME system and must be converted to a TT in case of a damaged/faulty PEN conductor. Naturally if you're converting something to a TT system and not using the DNO TN-C-S earthing arrangement, there must be a reasonable distance between the TT and any other TN-C or TN-C-S systems (2m or so is reasonable).

If there were other services in the vicinity but can be proven that these have also been converted to TT and are 100% confirmed to not be using the DNO earth, would it be reasonable to say that the requirement for the 2m distance can be reduced or ignored completely? Another thought I've had is to bond the cabinets together - being on the same type of system, it makes logical sense that this would in turn reduce the Ze and improve disconnection times, both units have their methods of ADS and incorporate an RCD/RCBO of a 61008 or 61009 standard respectively.


Any other thoughts or ideas would be much appreciated as I try and figure a workaround for this issue. I understand this could work for smaller cabinets and for individual supplies, and not necessarily for street lighting which might not be adequately equipped for being converted to TT (bit of a bigger job to start installing RCDs and then giving a minor works cert etc.).
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    I essentially am part of the install only as the client provides their own charge points which are all pre-built and shipped over, but I'm sure if we can come to an agreement or a redesign then this could change. We install mainly 7kW and 22kW charge points.

    500kW of EVC's Is one hell of a lot. I know Tesla have unveiled a 250kW charge point which requires a 1MW transformer to power 4 of them but we simply don't have the infrastructure to cope with that at the moment. I was asked to look at an install elsewhere as someone wanted to know how many 50kW rapid chargers would fit in the car park - long story short, they didn't go with it as it required a new HV supply to a brand new substation for a few charge points which would have been too powerful for the nature of the car park. (you wouldn't really have a 50kW in a "Park & Ride" as chances are you're going to be a good few hours!), if you need any help with this then I'll be happy to lend some assistance where I can.


      



     




    The site has a private HV network, there's space in the car park to add a dedicated Tx with a close coupled LV feeder pillar. 

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    ​​​​​​I haven't seen the EVC specification,  but have been advised they're likely to be 7kW. 


    Thanks for the link Graham.


    Regards

    Parsley


     

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    I essentially am part of the install only as the client provides their own charge points which are all pre-built and shipped over, but I'm sure if we can come to an agreement or a redesign then this could change. We install mainly 7kW and 22kW charge points.

    500kW of EVC's Is one hell of a lot. I know Tesla have unveiled a 250kW charge point which requires a 1MW transformer to power 4 of them but we simply don't have the infrastructure to cope with that at the moment. I was asked to look at an install elsewhere as someone wanted to know how many 50kW rapid chargers would fit in the car park - long story short, they didn't go with it as it required a new HV supply to a brand new substation for a few charge points which would have been too powerful for the nature of the car park. (you wouldn't really have a 50kW in a "Park & Ride" as chances are you're going to be a good few hours!), if you need any help with this then I'll be happy to lend some assistance where I can.


      



     




    The site has a private HV network, there's space in the car park to add a dedicated Tx with a close coupled LV feeder pillar. 

    ​​​​​​

    ​​​​​​I haven't seen the EVC specification,  but have been advised they're likely to be 7kW. 


    Thanks for the link Graham.


    Regards

    Parsley


     

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