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Max Zs BS7671 17th Edition / Guidance Note 3 Inspection and Testing

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Hello,


There seems to be some slight differences with regards to acceptable Zs values when comparing the two documents BS7671 17th Edition A3 and Guidance Note 3 Inspection and Testing 17th Edition A3.


For example table 41.3 from BS7671 17th Edition A3 states:


0.4sec trip D6A = 1.82 Ω


Adjusted to 80% as per appendix 14 = 1.456 Ω



However page 121 from Guidance Note 3 Inspection and Testing 17th Edition A3 states:


0.4sec trip D6A = 1.46 Ω




These two documents are produced by IET. Guidance Note 3 Inspection and Testing 17th Edition A3 is rounding up Zs values above the maximum allowable values detailed in BS7671 17th Edition A3, why is that ?




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  • Mike M:
    Chris Pearson‍ 


    That's very presumptuous of you considering you don't know what meters I have used. 


    Once again taking into account all that we know about tolerances and circuit variations, if something is defined as the maximum then surely it should it should never be acceptable to have a value higher than the maximum as far as the regs are concerned. 




     

    Please don't make the mistake of thinking that just because a meter displays 2 dp, it is accurate to 2 dp.


    If maximum really must be a maximum, it follows that a meter must never under-read. This is rather like car speedos. In reality the meter might, within 99% confidence, measure on a 0 - 1 Ω scale +/- 0.05 Ω, so if it gives a reading of 1.00 Ω, 95% of the time, the true value will be between 0.95 Ω and 1.05 Ω.


    If the true value must never be under-estimated, what we now do is oblige the meter to be accurate to within +0.1 Ω/-0.0 Ω. That is achieved by making the meter over-read, on average, by 0.05 Ω.


    So in pursuit of making maximum = maximum, you have made the meter less accurate.


    And you still have a 0.5% chance of under-reading.
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  • Mike M:
    Chris Pearson‍ 


    That's very presumptuous of you considering you don't know what meters I have used. 


    Once again taking into account all that we know about tolerances and circuit variations, if something is defined as the maximum then surely it should it should never be acceptable to have a value higher than the maximum as far as the regs are concerned. 




     

    Please don't make the mistake of thinking that just because a meter displays 2 dp, it is accurate to 2 dp.


    If maximum really must be a maximum, it follows that a meter must never under-read. This is rather like car speedos. In reality the meter might, within 99% confidence, measure on a 0 - 1 Ω scale +/- 0.05 Ω, so if it gives a reading of 1.00 Ω, 95% of the time, the true value will be between 0.95 Ω and 1.05 Ω.


    If the true value must never be under-estimated, what we now do is oblige the meter to be accurate to within +0.1 Ω/-0.0 Ω. That is achieved by making the meter over-read, on average, by 0.05 Ω.


    So in pursuit of making maximum = maximum, you have made the meter less accurate.


    And you still have a 0.5% chance of under-reading.
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