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Votlage Drop for Unbalanced three phase

Hi all,


Hoping someone can help so i can forget about this and get to a beer garden..


For a balanced three phase voltage drop, the three or four core mv/a/m figure can be used from the releavnt table to determine the voltage drop.


However, for an unbalacned system ie a three phase submain feeding a DB, which supplies single phase loads gets more confusing. After reading previous posts, it seems the best way to deal with this is to calculate the single phase drop from each phase to the final circuit. However, this is where i am finding conflicting infromation, calculations for electricians and designers states that:

"By inspection of the extract from Table 4D4B below, it can be seen that the three- and four-core cable voltage drop per amp per metre (mV/A/m) is times the two-core (mV/A/m). The converts to three-phase; the division by two is necessary as there is assumed to be no voltage drop in the neutral."  Hence, where the 0.866 figure comes from which i have read about.


However, the Amtech handbooks simply divides the Z values in the table by root 3, without the division of 2 to get a single phase volt drop. Which makes more sense to me, as there is likely to be current in the neutral of the three phase system that needs to be accounted for. 


Example:


4 Core 3P+N 25mm2 cable supplying a distribution board 10m long, L1 110A, L2 80A, L3, 80A:

From table 4D4B z = 1.5


VD 1L1 = ( mv x L x I)/ 1000

VD = ((1.5/1.732) x 10 x 110)/1000

VD = 0.96v for the drop of the loads between L1 and Neutral


Is this correct, doesnt seem quite right to me.


Thanks



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  • The only way to do it accurately is to know each line current and its associated power factor.


    The process in reality uses the following steps:


    (a) Calculate the volt-drop to the DB due to the line current using the single-phase volt-drop / 2 - you will need to keep the phasor value of the volt-drop.


    (b) Calculate the Neutral current using the vector sum of IL1+IL2+IL3, taking into account the power factor of each phase


    (c) Calculate the Line to Line voltages using the vector sums (the largest of these is the three-phase volt-drop).


    (d) Calculate the worst case of each VLx-Vn and this is the worst-case single-phase voltage drop at the DB


    The downstream three-phase and single-phase voltage drops can then be calculated by adding those using the standard method (balanced three-phase, and single-phase) to the worst-case volt-drop at the DB, for each circuit.


    This I guess is why we try to balance each db as far as possible.



    The methods in BS 7671 are based on certain assumptions, and cannot be used for every case I guess.
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  • The only way to do it accurately is to know each line current and its associated power factor.


    The process in reality uses the following steps:


    (a) Calculate the volt-drop to the DB due to the line current using the single-phase volt-drop / 2 - you will need to keep the phasor value of the volt-drop.


    (b) Calculate the Neutral current using the vector sum of IL1+IL2+IL3, taking into account the power factor of each phase


    (c) Calculate the Line to Line voltages using the vector sums (the largest of these is the three-phase volt-drop).


    (d) Calculate the worst case of each VLx-Vn and this is the worst-case single-phase voltage drop at the DB


    The downstream three-phase and single-phase voltage drops can then be calculated by adding those using the standard method (balanced three-phase, and single-phase) to the worst-case volt-drop at the DB, for each circuit.


    This I guess is why we try to balance each db as far as possible.



    The methods in BS 7671 are based on certain assumptions, and cannot be used for every case I guess.
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