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Omitting 30ma RCD Protection for single S/O in a domestic property

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I installed a dedicated circuit for a hifi system for a customer last year. The customer requested a 6mm2 radial from a 16A MCB housed in its own independent consumer unit into a single, un-switched socket outlet. No problem, bit unusual but no worries.I wired it using a 3c 6mm2 armoured cable as I half anticipated the forthcoming...


The hifi equipment is causing the rcd to trip when started up. I haven't been over to have a look but I am assuming that the startup current for the many power supplies (he has told me there are ten!) coupled with electronic earth leakage is causing a CPC current that is sufficient to trip the RCD (perhaps only 16ma but enough). The earthing is high integrity having a 6mm2 cpc + armour and the Zs is sufficiently low enough that the 16A MCB can be used for fault protection. So, if this wasn't domestic I'd ditch the RCD (or replace with a 100ma) assuming that my assumptions to this point are correct.


The customer has now decided he doesn't want RCD anyway for 'reasons' but I'm still wary of removing it in a domestic situation, not because I believe the installation would become less-safe but just because it contravenes regulations.


Assuming there's no fault on the equipment and it is just a case of startup/inrush current and earth leakage, what approach would you take? Remove the RCD and write it up as a deviation from 7671 with a signed disclaimer/waiver from the customer? Install a 100ma RCD? Do nothing and walk away? Something else?


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  • Sparkingchip:

    Okay.

    Here is the latest version of the Timeguard BS8277:2016 RCD connection unit

     



    RCD Fused Connection Unit for additional protection against electric shocks and fire risk. The unit will remain latched if the power supply is tripped.



    • Provides additional protection against the dangers of electrocution.

    • Eliminates the need for plug-in residual current circuit breakers.

    • Protects appliances from possible fire hazard.

    • Extra fast action – trips out within 40 milliseconds (BS7288).

    • Latching for continuous operation after supply interruption.

    • Disconnects both Live and Neutral connections leaving Earth connection intact.



    I am sure you can see what I am about to point out, that it states twice that the device provides additional protection.


    I think it is acceptable to say that anyone other than an electrical engineer that would be additional protection as referred to be BS7671:2018.

    Is it additional protection, but not as we know it?

     


    Agreed that it's confusing information, but disconnection is not isolation, and still the Scope of BS 7288:2016 says what it says ...


    I guess a question to the product manufacturer regarding what they are saying?

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  • Sparkingchip:

    Okay.

    Here is the latest version of the Timeguard BS8277:2016 RCD connection unit

     



    RCD Fused Connection Unit for additional protection against electric shocks and fire risk. The unit will remain latched if the power supply is tripped.



    • Provides additional protection against the dangers of electrocution.

    • Eliminates the need for plug-in residual current circuit breakers.

    • Protects appliances from possible fire hazard.

    • Extra fast action – trips out within 40 milliseconds (BS7288).

    • Latching for continuous operation after supply interruption.

    • Disconnects both Live and Neutral connections leaving Earth connection intact.



    I am sure you can see what I am about to point out, that it states twice that the device provides additional protection.


    I think it is acceptable to say that anyone other than an electrical engineer that would be additional protection as referred to be BS7671:2018.

    Is it additional protection, but not as we know it?

     


    Agreed that it's confusing information, but disconnection is not isolation, and still the Scope of BS 7288:2016 says what it says ...


    I guess a question to the product manufacturer regarding what they are saying?

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