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Omitting 30ma RCD Protection for single S/O in a domestic property

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I installed a dedicated circuit for a hifi system for a customer last year. The customer requested a 6mm2 radial from a 16A MCB housed in its own independent consumer unit into a single, un-switched socket outlet. No problem, bit unusual but no worries.I wired it using a 3c 6mm2 armoured cable as I half anticipated the forthcoming...


The hifi equipment is causing the rcd to trip when started up. I haven't been over to have a look but I am assuming that the startup current for the many power supplies (he has told me there are ten!) coupled with electronic earth leakage is causing a CPC current that is sufficient to trip the RCD (perhaps only 16ma but enough). The earthing is high integrity having a 6mm2 cpc + armour and the Zs is sufficiently low enough that the 16A MCB can be used for fault protection. So, if this wasn't domestic I'd ditch the RCD (or replace with a 100ma) assuming that my assumptions to this point are correct.


The customer has now decided he doesn't want RCD anyway for 'reasons' but I'm still wary of removing it in a domestic situation, not because I believe the installation would become less-safe but just because it contravenes regulations.


Assuming there's no fault on the equipment and it is just a case of startup/inrush current and earth leakage, what approach would you take? Remove the RCD and write it up as a deviation from 7671 with a signed disclaimer/waiver from the customer? Install a 100ma RCD? Do nothing and walk away? Something else?


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  • Okay.  I went and had a shower and stood there thinking about this (I know that is not a pretty image, but remember Archimedes had his eureka moment soaking in the bath.).


    I can knock the idea that you cannot use a SCRD such as those made by BG as an isolator on the head.


    Here is one I have fetched in from my van lying on top of table J1 in the IET Onsite Guide giving guidance on the selection of protective, isolation and switching devices,  reproduced from BS7671.


    The BG SCRD connection unit is complies with both BS7288:1990 and BS1363-4:1995


    Although BS8277 does not approve it as an isolator BS1363-4 does.


    If push comes to shove you can take the fuse out of it.

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    Andy Betteridge 

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  • Okay.  I went and had a shower and stood there thinking about this (I know that is not a pretty image, but remember Archimedes had his eureka moment soaking in the bath.).


    I can knock the idea that you cannot use a SCRD such as those made by BG as an isolator on the head.


    Here is one I have fetched in from my van lying on top of table J1 in the IET Onsite Guide giving guidance on the selection of protective, isolation and switching devices,  reproduced from BS7671.


    The BG SCRD connection unit is complies with both BS7288:1990 and BS1363-4:1995


    Although BS8277 does not approve it as an isolator BS1363-4 does.


    If push comes to shove you can take the fuse out of it.

    6e306ce1f17ab5a41dc714dd032afc5c-huge-20190811_155356.jpg


    Andy Betteridge 

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