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Omitting 30ma RCD Protection for single S/O in a domestic property

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I installed a dedicated circuit for a hifi system for a customer last year. The customer requested a 6mm2 radial from a 16A MCB housed in its own independent consumer unit into a single, un-switched socket outlet. No problem, bit unusual but no worries.I wired it using a 3c 6mm2 armoured cable as I half anticipated the forthcoming...


The hifi equipment is causing the rcd to trip when started up. I haven't been over to have a look but I am assuming that the startup current for the many power supplies (he has told me there are ten!) coupled with electronic earth leakage is causing a CPC current that is sufficient to trip the RCD (perhaps only 16ma but enough). The earthing is high integrity having a 6mm2 cpc + armour and the Zs is sufficiently low enough that the 16A MCB can be used for fault protection. So, if this wasn't domestic I'd ditch the RCD (or replace with a 100ma) assuming that my assumptions to this point are correct.


The customer has now decided he doesn't want RCD anyway for 'reasons' but I'm still wary of removing it in a domestic situation, not because I believe the installation would become less-safe but just because it contravenes regulations.


Assuming there's no fault on the equipment and it is just a case of startup/inrush current and earth leakage, what approach would you take? Remove the RCD and write it up as a deviation from 7671 with a signed disclaimer/waiver from the customer? Install a 100ma RCD? Do nothing and walk away? Something else?


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  • If the amendment to BS7288 in 2016 had not happened would we even be having these conversations?


    Go back to Guidance Note 1 of BS7671:2001 including amendment 1:2002 and 2:2004.


    This gives us a choice of nine types of RCD devices:
    • RCD

    • RCCB

    • RCBO

    • CBR

    • SRCD

    • PRCD

    • RCM

    • MRCD

    • SRCBOs


    It then goes on to discuss "A WIDE CHOICE" of operating currents, discrimination  and types. 


    In those days of old additional protection was called supplementary protection and was not a general requirement in domestic installations.

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    BS7288:1990 RCD devices were considered fit for purpose and as far as I know still are.


    To me the issue is that the British Standard for these devices has been rewritten in 2016 and it is the NEW VERSIONS of these devices thst are not fit for purpose  to the point I cannot understand why they are being manufactured as they do not appear to be of any use.


    BS7288:1990 devices are readily available, so why would anyone buy the new 2016 versions?


    Whilst we are at it do not forget that there are many BS4293 RCD devices still in use that are presumably still considered fit for purpose, otherwise we should be coding them on a EICR.


    I know things change and we need to keep up to current requirements, but the electrical installations unfortunately in people's homes are not frequently updated and at times there is a need to get a safe job done to the minimum standards then advise the client that actually it is time they updated the whole installation. 


    Obviously if there is a significant danger then you cannot proceed without dealing with it.


    Andy Betteridge 


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  • If the amendment to BS7288 in 2016 had not happened would we even be having these conversations?


    Go back to Guidance Note 1 of BS7671:2001 including amendment 1:2002 and 2:2004.


    This gives us a choice of nine types of RCD devices:
    • RCD

    • RCCB

    • RCBO

    • CBR

    • SRCD

    • PRCD

    • RCM

    • MRCD

    • SRCBOs


    It then goes on to discuss "A WIDE CHOICE" of operating currents, discrimination  and types. 


    In those days of old additional protection was called supplementary protection and was not a general requirement in domestic installations.

    7b893f2fa04f4994226085813202c456-huge-20190818_110346.jpg


    BS7288:1990 RCD devices were considered fit for purpose and as far as I know still are.


    To me the issue is that the British Standard for these devices has been rewritten in 2016 and it is the NEW VERSIONS of these devices thst are not fit for purpose  to the point I cannot understand why they are being manufactured as they do not appear to be of any use.


    BS7288:1990 devices are readily available, so why would anyone buy the new 2016 versions?


    Whilst we are at it do not forget that there are many BS4293 RCD devices still in use that are presumably still considered fit for purpose, otherwise we should be coding them on a EICR.


    I know things change and we need to keep up to current requirements, but the electrical installations unfortunately in people's homes are not frequently updated and at times there is a need to get a safe job done to the minimum standards then advise the client that actually it is time they updated the whole installation. 


    Obviously if there is a significant danger then you cannot proceed without dealing with it.


    Andy Betteridge 


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