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Omitting 30ma RCD Protection for single S/O in a domestic property

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I installed a dedicated circuit for a hifi system for a customer last year. The customer requested a 6mm2 radial from a 16A MCB housed in its own independent consumer unit into a single, un-switched socket outlet. No problem, bit unusual but no worries.I wired it using a 3c 6mm2 armoured cable as I half anticipated the forthcoming...


The hifi equipment is causing the rcd to trip when started up. I haven't been over to have a look but I am assuming that the startup current for the many power supplies (he has told me there are ten!) coupled with electronic earth leakage is causing a CPC current that is sufficient to trip the RCD (perhaps only 16ma but enough). The earthing is high integrity having a 6mm2 cpc + armour and the Zs is sufficiently low enough that the 16A MCB can be used for fault protection. So, if this wasn't domestic I'd ditch the RCD (or replace with a 100ma) assuming that my assumptions to this point are correct.


The customer has now decided he doesn't want RCD anyway for 'reasons' but I'm still wary of removing it in a domestic situation, not because I believe the installation would become less-safe but just because it contravenes regulations.


Assuming there's no fault on the equipment and it is just a case of startup/inrush current and earth leakage, what approach would you take? Remove the RCD and write it up as a deviation from 7671 with a signed disclaimer/waiver from the customer? Install a 100ma RCD? Do nothing and walk away? Something else?


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  • gkenyon:
    Chris Pearson:
    UKPN:

    "Begs the question, what the actual purpose of a BS 7288 SCRD is now."


    To provide additional protection for a particular socket in an installation that pre-dates routine RCD fitment in the CU and which is otherwise sound and a change of CU is not desired.




    Except that BS 7288 is not recognised by the 18th Edition in Regulation 531.3.4.1. So, in either an addition or alteration, or a new circuit, a BS 7288 socket-outlet can provide neither additional protection nor fault protection without a departure. And with the current Edition of BS 7288 saying what it does in the introduction, effectively additional protection and fault protection should be provided upstream in accordance with BS 7671, it's arguably difficult to justify that departure.




    Ouch! I can feel my knuckles being rapped for putting one in so that I might use an electric hedge trimmer more safely. In fact, I know that one should put the flex over the shoulder i.o.t. reduce the risk of slicing through the cable, and even if I did slice through it, I wouldn't be daft enough to pick up the live end. Sadly it's all a bit academic 'cos box blight seems to be killing the wee hedges. ?


    Let's not forget that short of Part P, there is no obligation to install to BS 7671. Thanks largely to this forum, I think that I am in a good position to decide when to depart.


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  • gkenyon:
    Chris Pearson:
    UKPN:

    "Begs the question, what the actual purpose of a BS 7288 SCRD is now."


    To provide additional protection for a particular socket in an installation that pre-dates routine RCD fitment in the CU and which is otherwise sound and a change of CU is not desired.




    Except that BS 7288 is not recognised by the 18th Edition in Regulation 531.3.4.1. So, in either an addition or alteration, or a new circuit, a BS 7288 socket-outlet can provide neither additional protection nor fault protection without a departure. And with the current Edition of BS 7288 saying what it does in the introduction, effectively additional protection and fault protection should be provided upstream in accordance with BS 7671, it's arguably difficult to justify that departure.




    Ouch! I can feel my knuckles being rapped for putting one in so that I might use an electric hedge trimmer more safely. In fact, I know that one should put the flex over the shoulder i.o.t. reduce the risk of slicing through the cable, and even if I did slice through it, I wouldn't be daft enough to pick up the live end. Sadly it's all a bit academic 'cos box blight seems to be killing the wee hedges. ?


    Let's not forget that short of Part P, there is no obligation to install to BS 7671. Thanks largely to this forum, I think that I am in a good position to decide when to depart.


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