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Ship Power System

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Is the neutral typically distributed on ship power systems?

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  • I don't know, but we know some guys that do.


    Andy B.

  • Is the neutral typically distributed on ship power systems?



    Often not, or at least so I gather. Ships systems are often IT systems and not distributing the N makes it easier to spot "earth" faults - which aren't then immediately disconnected but show up on an indicator and then fixed as a maintenance task. The logic being that many of the ship's electrical systems are critical to the safety of the vessel (everything from navigation to steering to propulsion) - so it's better that things keep working on first faults.


    ("earth" usually being the steel hull, rather than terra firma)


      - Andy.
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    Makes sense, understood.
  • Especially true on battleships, where the protective systems are isolated when entering battle. More people may die if the guns trip out and the ship sinks, rather than a few people being killed by shocks from equipment in fault
  • Generally the above comments are correct. The most common system on ships is IT (normally 440V 3 phase 3-wire 60Hz) but sometimes on smaller ships there will be a 380V 3 phase 4-wire (60Hz or 50Hz - I have seen both) system as this means that phase-neutral is 220V and therefore there is no need for a transformer.

    The principle is that an earth fault on a circuit will be detected through mandated earth fault detection but leave the circuit operational rather than tripping a vital service (as has been said above). As added security certain circuits such as steering (which has duplicated systems) will have both running while in critical locations.

    There are also requirements for certain ships such as tankers which prohibit a 3 phase 4 wire system (at least in the cargo area) to prevent an earth fault current returning through the metal structure of the cargo tanks (but don't get me started on the justification for that one....)

    Alasdair

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    Especially true on battleships, where the protective systems are isolated when entering battle. More people may die if the guns trip out and the ship sinks, rather than a few people being killed by shocks from equipment in fault




    I assume that you are not referring to the likes of USS Missouri (which I have seen at sea) but warships.


    Float, move, fight!


    Move includes steering. If push comes to shove, some poor old stoker aft has to operate the rudder's hydraulics manually.


     


  • Dbat:

    Especially true on battleships, where the protective systems are isolated when entering battle. More people may die if the guns trip out and the ship sinks, rather than a few people being killed by shocks from equipment in fault




    I have thought a bit about this and it is not strictly true. The electrical protection is unlikely to be isolated, since if there is a major electrical fault it is better to trip a gun than to have the generators stall and lose the whole electrical supply. I believe there are battle over-rides which allow some protection to be bypassed to keep power on systems on the basis that you may wreck an item of equipment but if the alternative is the loss of the entire ship (including that equipment) then it is an obvious choice. The general principle, whether on merchant ships or warships, is isolate the faulty equipment in order to maintain the rest of the equipment and have redundancy so that the loss of a single item of equipment will not result in the loss of a function.

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    Its a pretty simple system, they use a number of isolating transformers to provide zoning of the sub systems. if its fed through an isolating transformer the power flows through bu the fault is kept isolated. Basically multiple IT systems with fault monitoring. You will see this in any safety critical system, by isolation of the system and removal of an earthed neutral the power system then floats. you can have a phase to earth fault and this will do nothing other than let the operators know. however a second fault then you will blow fuses and trip breakers, but it gives you that ride out capability, Also upon the reciept of a fault the operator will quickly remove the faulted item from the system if required. Or if in the middle of something important they can carry through until they are are a safe point to recover the issue.

  • Ruggedscot:

    ...they use a number of isolating transformers to provide zoning of the sub systems....




    I haven't seen this on many ships (and I have seen an awful lot of them). I think warships have generation/distribution systems that can be split in multiple ways in order to maximise redundancy so multiple transformers are for redundancy rather than deliberately creating zoning of subsystems. The only ships I have seen transformers deliberately introduced as isolating transformers is on large container ships with significant refrigerated container load since the refrigerated containers, being located on deck to allow the heat to be dissipated, tend to be rather more susceptible to faults. The container sockets are therefore sometimes provided with isolating transformers for this reason. Isolating transformers on other ships are a rarity.

    Alasdair