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Installation Method

Adding a socket outlet to an existing ring final (mini-trunking surface box)

Do you quote the existing circuit installation method or the addition in the MWC?

It is assumed that they are different.


Colin
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    The addition.
  • I didn't think the model MWC asked for installation method - but maybe some derived ones do...


    Anyhow, my policy would be you can do whichever you think most appropriate for the circumstances - so long as you make it clear. The point of the exercise is to communicate with the human who will read the certificate in the future, rather than to blindly follow some arbitrary procedure.


    So I'd either pick the "worst" of the two and use that, or just use the one that applied to the new work (which is what the certificate relates to after all) - if necessary making that clear with an extra note.


    Things can get messy where installation conditions - and indeed cable sizes - might be different for the new & existing (e.g. 2.5mm² surface run spur from a ring that's been wired in 4mm² for reasons of excess thermal insulation) - or 2.5mm² spur from a 4mm² radial - as the model MWC seems to presume uniform size throughout the circuit. Entering 2.5mm² and method 103 is going to look needlessly dubious, likewise entering 4mm² when you've (correctly) only installed 2.5mm² is similarly inviting censure.  So record whatever you think will be clearest - if that means adding more information than the form asks for then that's fine. They're only model forms - not straight-jackets.


       - Andy.
  • Thanks Andy and Dave. My instinct was for the addition, I understand the potential confusion.


    Colin
  • "They're only model forms - not straight-jackets." AJJ brill statement . I love it
  • Not an MWC, but an EIC - I have put 4.0/2.5 where the "A-roads" are 4 mm2, but individual spurs have been 2.5 mm2.


    If you just put worst case - i.e. 2.5 mm2, but have a 32 A OCPD, the reader might raise an eyebrow.


    Which makes me wonder what proportion of EICs and MWCs are ever read by anybody other than the author. ??
  • I suspect you are right Chris!

    My role includes scrutiny of certificates/works carried out (informed client role)

    It probably is only me looking-hey ho.


    Colin

  • Chris Pearson:


    Which makes me wonder what proportion of EICs and MWCs are ever read by anybody other than the author. ??




    Of course, with the exception of those cases for which a lawyer or QS is involved for some reason?

  • Quite so Graham.

    I see you are on the list next week at Savoy Place. See you there no doubt.


    Colin