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AFDDs & EVCs

Question 1 - AFDDs 

We are looking at installing combined AFDDs/RCBOs to existing switchrooms located in some High rise flats starting with the landlords supplies then moving on to the consumer units located within the flats themselves. The issue with the landlords supplies is that there is no manufacturer that appears to make the AFDD bigger than a 40Amp range and also they are unavailable in 3 phase. Therefore if we carry this work out then a number of circuits eg where you have a 63Amp 3 phase lift supply then this will need to be mounted in another seperate enclosure with cct fed via an MCB thus we are only doing half a job - any ideas ? EATON suggest using 3 seperate single AFDDs to protect a 3 Phase circuit but for me this is bad practice as it means 3 points of isolation in the one Db just to isolate the 3 phases serving the one T/Pole Lift cct !!!


Question 2 - EVC's

We are looking at wiring 6 EVC points rated at either 11kw -22kw. They shall be fed from a public building in new underground ductworks. The building has it's own dedicated sub station believed to be a TNS. Because the Regs and COP make no ref to TNS I assume the EVC Charging points will not need any independant earth spikes ? Just to clarify that each EVC point cct will be protected at a dedicated Db located inside the building each fed by independant Type A rcds. The EVC Parking spaces will be located in the buildings shared car park adjacent the building 40m away. There is some existing column lighting in the car park  which is fed from the opposite building which has it's own transformer. If we locate the EVCs more than 2.5m from any existing column lighting and street furniture fed off the opposite buildings supply then surely this will suffice ? Hoping its not a showstopper ? 

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  • Fandango:

    Question 2 - EVC's

    We are looking at wiring 6 EVC points rated at either 11kw -22kw. They shall be fed from a public building in new underground ductworks. The building has it's own dedicated sub station believed to be a TNS. Because the Regs and COP make no ref to TNS I assume the EVC Charging points will not need any independant earth spikes ? Just to clarify that each EVC point cct will be protected at a dedicated Db located inside the building each fed by independant Type A rcds. The EVC Parking spaces will be located in the buildings shared car park adjacent the building 40m away. There is some existing column lighting in the car park  which is fed from the opposite building which has it's own transformer. If we locate the EVCs more than 2.5m from any existing column lighting and street furniture fed off the opposite buildings supply then surely this will suffice ? Hoping its not a showstopper ? 

     




    If it's guaranteed to be a TN-S supply, this is OK for the EV charging equipment


    BUT


    It's not just the EVSE (charging equipment) you need to keep out of arm's reach (2.5 m) of the lamp posts ... perhaps more important the vehicles on charge must also be at least 2.5 m away !!!


    You can't I'm afraid simply bond the two systems together without knowing the implication on the earthing systems. Incidentally, these are "general rules" of BS 7671, and NOT Section 722 specific (in particular the requirement about simultaneously accessible exposed-conductive-parts is Regulation 411.3.1.1 (my highlight):



    411.3.1.1 Protective earthing

    Exposed-conductive-parts shall be connected to a protective conductor under the specific conditions for each type of system earthing as specified in Regulations 411.4 to 411.6.
    Simultaneously accessible exposed-conductive-parts shall be connected to the same earthing system individually, in groups or collectively.

    Conductors for protective earthing shall comply with Chapter 54.

    A circuit protective conductor shall be run to and terminated at each point in wiring and at each accessory except a lampholder having no exposed-conductive-parts and suspended from such a point.



    And you can't simply bond the two installations together because of regulation 542.1.3.3 (what value of fault current do you consider ... and would it also be HV fault current).



    In terms of RCD protection, is Type A sufficient? OK if there's an RDC-DD device either in the charging equipment or downstream of the Type A, otherwise Type B is required.


    This is all covered in the IET Code of Practice for EV Charging Equipment Installation which I would strongly recommend you have a good gander at before assessing this particular job.

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  • Fandango:

    Question 2 - EVC's

    We are looking at wiring 6 EVC points rated at either 11kw -22kw. They shall be fed from a public building in new underground ductworks. The building has it's own dedicated sub station believed to be a TNS. Because the Regs and COP make no ref to TNS I assume the EVC Charging points will not need any independant earth spikes ? Just to clarify that each EVC point cct will be protected at a dedicated Db located inside the building each fed by independant Type A rcds. The EVC Parking spaces will be located in the buildings shared car park adjacent the building 40m away. There is some existing column lighting in the car park  which is fed from the opposite building which has it's own transformer. If we locate the EVCs more than 2.5m from any existing column lighting and street furniture fed off the opposite buildings supply then surely this will suffice ? Hoping its not a showstopper ? 

     




    If it's guaranteed to be a TN-S supply, this is OK for the EV charging equipment


    BUT


    It's not just the EVSE (charging equipment) you need to keep out of arm's reach (2.5 m) of the lamp posts ... perhaps more important the vehicles on charge must also be at least 2.5 m away !!!


    You can't I'm afraid simply bond the two systems together without knowing the implication on the earthing systems. Incidentally, these are "general rules" of BS 7671, and NOT Section 722 specific (in particular the requirement about simultaneously accessible exposed-conductive-parts is Regulation 411.3.1.1 (my highlight):



    411.3.1.1 Protective earthing

    Exposed-conductive-parts shall be connected to a protective conductor under the specific conditions for each type of system earthing as specified in Regulations 411.4 to 411.6.
    Simultaneously accessible exposed-conductive-parts shall be connected to the same earthing system individually, in groups or collectively.

    Conductors for protective earthing shall comply with Chapter 54.

    A circuit protective conductor shall be run to and terminated at each point in wiring and at each accessory except a lampholder having no exposed-conductive-parts and suspended from such a point.



    And you can't simply bond the two installations together because of regulation 542.1.3.3 (what value of fault current do you consider ... and would it also be HV fault current).



    In terms of RCD protection, is Type A sufficient? OK if there's an RDC-DD device either in the charging equipment or downstream of the Type A, otherwise Type B is required.


    This is all covered in the IET Code of Practice for EV Charging Equipment Installation which I would strongly recommend you have a good gander at before assessing this particular job.

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