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AFDDs & EVCs

Question 1 - AFDDs 

We are looking at installing combined AFDDs/RCBOs to existing switchrooms located in some High rise flats starting with the landlords supplies then moving on to the consumer units located within the flats themselves. The issue with the landlords supplies is that there is no manufacturer that appears to make the AFDD bigger than a 40Amp range and also they are unavailable in 3 phase. Therefore if we carry this work out then a number of circuits eg where you have a 63Amp 3 phase lift supply then this will need to be mounted in another seperate enclosure with cct fed via an MCB thus we are only doing half a job - any ideas ? EATON suggest using 3 seperate single AFDDs to protect a 3 Phase circuit but for me this is bad practice as it means 3 points of isolation in the one Db just to isolate the 3 phases serving the one T/Pole Lift cct !!!


Question 2 - EVC's

We are looking at wiring 6 EVC points rated at either 11kw -22kw. They shall be fed from a public building in new underground ductworks. The building has it's own dedicated sub station believed to be a TNS. Because the Regs and COP make no ref to TNS I assume the EVC Charging points will not need any independant earth spikes ? Just to clarify that each EVC point cct will be protected at a dedicated Db located inside the building each fed by independant Type A rcds. The EVC Parking spaces will be located in the buildings shared car park adjacent the building 40m away. There is some existing column lighting in the car park  which is fed from the opposite building which has it's own transformer. If we locate the EVCs more than 2.5m from any existing column lighting and street furniture fed off the opposite buildings supply then surely this will suffice ? Hoping its not a showstopper ? 

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  • I was pondering the installation of AFDD to safety circuits.


    Several years ago I install a circuit in FP200 fire rated screened cable to supply a domestic fire circuit pump in the cupboard under the sink with sprinkler heads mounted into the kitchen tap and on the wall of the adjoining dining room.


    It was a very simple circuit with a dedicated CU in the cellar by the intake, but it had to have a 100-mA RCD upfront, because it is a TT installation along with a C type MCB.


    The only time the circuit will ever be fully loaded is if the pump kicks in, because the house is on fire.


    It seems rather daft to consider installing an AFDD to a circuit like that as the only time it could identify a series arc that could start a fire and shut the circuit and pump down is when the house is already on fire. Given the cable construction a parallel arc should trip the MCB and probably the RCD as well.


    It does seem to me that fitting an AFDD to such a circuit would be completely counter productive. 


    The AFDD needs to protect the rooms people are sleeping in, not the safety circuits.


    Andy Betteridge.


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  • I was pondering the installation of AFDD to safety circuits.


    Several years ago I install a circuit in FP200 fire rated screened cable to supply a domestic fire circuit pump in the cupboard under the sink with sprinkler heads mounted into the kitchen tap and on the wall of the adjoining dining room.


    It was a very simple circuit with a dedicated CU in the cellar by the intake, but it had to have a 100-mA RCD upfront, because it is a TT installation along with a C type MCB.


    The only time the circuit will ever be fully loaded is if the pump kicks in, because the house is on fire.


    It seems rather daft to consider installing an AFDD to a circuit like that as the only time it could identify a series arc that could start a fire and shut the circuit and pump down is when the house is already on fire. Given the cable construction a parallel arc should trip the MCB and probably the RCD as well.


    It does seem to me that fitting an AFDD to such a circuit would be completely counter productive. 


    The AFDD needs to protect the rooms people are sleeping in, not the safety circuits.


    Andy Betteridge.


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