Mains frequency

Kelly Marie:

 Icidentley I've got to go to Southampton hospital tomorrow my heart still isn't right so they want fettle it a bit more I'm scared but what can you do

Alasdair Anderson:

mapj1:
@ DZ I am to be found more or less equidistant  from Southampton and Winchester most of the year..

I think you need to be a bit more specific - Aberystwyth is more or less equidistant from Southampton and Winchester. I guess you mean between the two.


I like your comments on the lunar panels, but the installation costs for the moon will be way in excess of the solar ones Clive is commenting on, presumably one of the 'good reasons' it is not off the ground yet - no pun intended.


Alasdair

 

mapj1:
@ DZ I am to be found more or less equidistant  from Southampton and Winchester most of the year..

(MWh and MW/h both being identical.)

AncientMariner:

With my County Councillor hat on.

A couple of weeks ago, I sat through a Council meeting where on page 56 of 216...( http://committeemeetings.flintshire.gov.uk/documents/g4472/Public%20reports%20pack%2028th-Jan-2020%2014.00%20Flintshire%20County%20Council.pdf?T=10&LLL=0 ) I was faced with:-

Solar PV at Flint Landfill and Crumps Yard Connah’s Quay

The Council has been investing in renewable energy systems for many years. Many schools, offices, leisure centres etc. have building scale renewable energy including solar PV, solar thermal, wind and biomass heating systems. The Council has completed the installation of 2 ground mounted solar PV systems on former landfill sites in Buckley, which have a combined output of 1 MW. In order to achieve the goals set within the Carbon Management Plan and the Renewable Energy Action Plan further investment in large scale renewable energy is needed.


This business case is for the development of ground mounted solar PV at Crumps Yard, Connah’s Quay and Flint Landfill. This would potentially generate 3.4MW of electricity per annum. A detailed report explaining the full business case for the scheme was approved by Environment Overview and Scrutiny Committee and Cabinet in December 2019. Construction is due to start in the Spring of 2020.


Direct Costs:

The scheme cost to build, and it is assumed that borrowing will be required to finance the project, is between £2.8m and £3.1m.

Direct Benefits:

Combined net project income over 35 years is estimated to be between £0.750m and £1.25m or between £0.030m and £0.367m in real terms.


Meeting the priorities and objectives set within the Council Plan under the ‘Green Council’ theme

Contributing towards the achievement of Welsh Government targets and obligations under the Climate Change Act, Wellbeing of Future Generations Act and Environment Act.

Future proofing for the requirement to decarbonise by 2030 from Welsh Government

Generated income can also be used to hedge against energy price increases


Indirect Benefits:

Protecting frontline services by providing a long term income stream

Supporting wider regional priorities such as the regional growth bid.

Being a community leader and developing a reputation as a Council who is forward looking, innovative, and invests in the future

Facilitating further innovation around storage technologies, electric vehicle charging etc.

Supporting economic growth and job creation through the initial construction and then the long term maintenance of systems as well as providing the energy infrastructure to sustain businesses and economic growth.

Renewable energy systems are also capital assets which can provide capital receipts on sale/transfer

Developing new ways of working and partnerships e.g. joint ventures, energy service companies.

Improving the ecology and biodiversity of sites following best practice, e.g. wildflower meadows on solar farms etc.


After the presentation, I queried the figures and received this email:-
Dear Councillor Carver
Further to your question at Council on Tuesday, I can now confirm the following.

The estimated annual generation (based on the design calculations) is 3,490,111 kWh or 3.490 MWh. This is the total amount of electricity that is expected to be produced over one calendar year. If you divide this by 365 days then you get a daily output of 9562 kWh, not 10 kWh per day.

I have also include the Cabinet papers from December when the Business Case was approved.  It had previously been endorsed by the Environment Scrutiny Committee earlier in December.


I replied:-

Thank you for your email together with the attached Cabinet papers.

First of all, when I spoke at Council last Tuesday, my comments were based on the figures before me in the Report which on page 56 paragraph 1.37 “This would potentially generate 3.4MW of electricity per annum”.

Regretfully, that sentence is totally incorrect.  I say that simply because referring to MW (Megawatt) is actually referring to Power which is an instantaneous quantity; as in a 100 watt light bulb, or a 2 kilowatt electric heater. What should have been advised in that Report, is the total Energy produced in a year, which for electricity generation is measured in watt-hours (W/h), kilowatt-hours (kW/h, Megawatt-hours (MW/h) or Gigawatt-hours (GW/h) etc.

Reading through the Cabinet papers, the Executive Summary on page 419 only refers to MW as does paragraph 1.01 in “EXPLAINING THE GROUND MOUNTED SOLAR PV AT FLINT LANDFILL AND CRUMPS YARD” on page 420.

Then on page 426 in paragraph 1.12 is the first mention of MWh where it states, “The schemes will produce around 3.5 MWh of renewable electricity every year…..” (MWh and MW/h both being identical.)

And again on page 448 in 3.6 Non-Financial Benefits “The schemes will produce around 3.5 MWh of renewable electricity every year…..”

You can probably now see where I am coming from.

Both the report to Council and to Cabinet have errors of principle, both in the confusion between MW and MWh and also in the numerical figure.

Using the figure as stated in the above reports, 3.5 MWh every year DOES equal 9.59 kWh per day (ie 3,500 kWh divided by 365 equals 9.589 kWh)  My 10 kWh per day was from a back of an envelope calculation based on the figures before me.

However having now read the report to Cabinet, I can see where your figure of 3,490,111 kWh comes from, although this annual figure was not included in the report to Council. However a typo did slip in on your email, since 3,490,111 kWh is 3,490.111 MWh, not 3.490 MWh.

My concern is that most Members and possibly the writer of the reports do not understand the difference between Power and Energy and if the projected income to FCC in the future does not live up to expectations, analyses of Cabinet and Council decisions at that future time would show the confusion in these documents.

Although the Glossary on page 434 has “MW: Mega Watt or 1000 kW (kilo watt)” The list does not include MWh let alone MWp, which is the Peak Instantaneous output power of the system. ie at maximum sunshine.

At least on page 443 where it states, “In 2018-2019 the Council consumed circa 18,641 MWh of electricity (equivalent to the power used in around 5600 homes)…”  I can see some sense in those figures, the daily estimated consumption for each of the 5600 homes being 9.12 kWh, which I will not argue with.

I should add that I have some experience of electricity generation from when I was in the Merchant Navy; for my last 4 years prior to retirement, I was engaged as an electrical and electronics trouble shooter on container ships where electricity generation was often at 6.6 kV obtained from diesel alternators and static inverters, each typically 2.4 MW about 10 MW total.

Kind regards


Guess that's me off a few Christmas Card lists.... 

Clive

AncientMariner:

Keep away from Ramipril, you might get rashes and swellings that would do a student proud!

My cardiologist took me through a quantum leap recently.  From  my GP swapping me off Ramipril to something else, then something else and again something else; my cardiologist said STOP and see what happens. My BP has gone a bit higher, and he reckons that if I can lose a "few" kg, then I'll be fine without any BP medication.