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Derating Conductors due to bundling inside Low voltage switchgear

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I know when it comes to conductors inside switchgear the regulations for  IEC-61439 Annex H pages 111 and 112 apply.

If cables installed in free air outside the enclosure regs of BS 7671 Appendix 4 Section 7 and IEC-60364-5-52 would apply.

If we have many cables installed in free air (let's say 15) and they are distant from each others by more than 2 cable diameter (hence no derating factor for bunching shall apply) but they would be bundled for a distance(L) inside enclosure before they directly terminate in C.B's what would be the case here?

Shall we use the rating for the whole run of cables obtained by IEC-61439 and apply high derating factors or it depends on the length of (L) of the bundling? 

Knowing that in case of thermal insulation of conductor BS 7671 Reg. 523.9 takes in consideration the Length of the part of conductor that is thermally insulated.
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  • Knowing that in case of thermal insulation of conductor BS 7671 Reg. 523.9 takes in consideration the Length of the part of conductor that is thermally insulated.



     



    That might be slightly different - if you've derated the cable as it passes through some thermal insulation to keep the conductor temperature within limits, then almost by definition the cable must be running with lower conductor temperature before & after the insulation - the so some of the heat generated within the thermal insulation has somewhere to go along the length of the cable.


    Inside a DB say, with an MCB or similar at one end, generating heat from it's thermal element, and perhaps a fully utilised bunch of cables wending their way to the rest of the building on the other end, the ability to loose heat along the length of the cable might not be anything like as favourable.


    That said, inside switchgear you're normally dealing with single cores, rather than a cable of two or three current carrying cores - so provided there's a sensible gap between conductors their rating is likely to exceed that elsewhere on the circuit. I suspect the 'usual practice' in the UK is not to specifically calculate for inside the DB - just work with the ratings for the rest of the circuit - but at the same time lacing/bunching/cable-tying conductors together inside a DB is considered poor practice.

     

        - Andy.
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  • Knowing that in case of thermal insulation of conductor BS 7671 Reg. 523.9 takes in consideration the Length of the part of conductor that is thermally insulated.



     



    That might be slightly different - if you've derated the cable as it passes through some thermal insulation to keep the conductor temperature within limits, then almost by definition the cable must be running with lower conductor temperature before & after the insulation - the so some of the heat generated within the thermal insulation has somewhere to go along the length of the cable.


    Inside a DB say, with an MCB or similar at one end, generating heat from it's thermal element, and perhaps a fully utilised bunch of cables wending their way to the rest of the building on the other end, the ability to loose heat along the length of the cable might not be anything like as favourable.


    That said, inside switchgear you're normally dealing with single cores, rather than a cable of two or three current carrying cores - so provided there's a sensible gap between conductors their rating is likely to exceed that elsewhere on the circuit. I suspect the 'usual practice' in the UK is not to specifically calculate for inside the DB - just work with the ratings for the rest of the circuit - but at the same time lacing/bunching/cable-tying conductors together inside a DB is considered poor practice.

     

        - Andy.
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