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Switched alternative to public supply. Tesla Powerwall and gateway. Have I got this right?

justinneedham
Who here has first-hand of Tesla Powerwall? On cursory inspection, on-line technical info is sparse.


One of my regular domestic customers has had a quote for a Tesla Powerwall, including the Tesla isolating gateway to allow some property consumption in selected backup circuit(s) during network outage. Meanwhile I am quoting for CU upgrade to go in ahead of that work so that it can take place. The latter is basic work, no problems, were it not for the former which is providing me with a bit of a conceptual challenge. Now the first bit below is second-hand from the Tesla installer via my customer. Hence parts of it might be lost in translation, but as far as I have received from Tesla installer:


"Go ahead and to the CU, - it won't affect the Tesla."

The Tesla gateway contains SPD so I "don't need" to fit SPD in my CU. (But Tesla only up to 1KV, so not fully meeting AFAICT, 442.2.2)

Now the biggie: Tesla say they will be fitting a separate earth rod such that (as far as I understand it..), when the gateway entirely disconnects the network including earthing conductor (which after the supply head is no longer PEN 461.2).. then the gateway  "islands" the whole property on the TT via it's switch 537.1.5. 551.6 .


I'm not so familiar with switched alternative to public supplies, and in the absence of anything from Tesla, those who are able to might add to my reasoning below (or otherwise abuse it):


1) The property bonding and MET would still be connected to incoming PEN via gas/water pipe and next-door house(s).

2) What happens to the Tesla earth rod in normal (grid connected) operation? I'm guessing it's wired by the installer such it's effectively just a bonded extraneous conductive part. 

3) Under loss of network power, Tesla gateway disconnects incoming supply and TNCS earthing conductor and now floats on the parallel impedance of it's Ra and the bonding. During this time,the disconnected property would (due to high-ish Ra) likely get bootstrapped close to whatever voltage is on the incoming gas/water/bonding.

4) Although there are two earthing systems, there aren't two simultaneously accessible earthing systems..  Because in normal (network) use the TT electrode would be just a bonded extraneous part, and in "island" mode the TNCS earthing is not connected, - But to make this claim, we'd then need to also state that the TNCS "not-MET" (with installation earth no longer connected) was a bonded extraneous conductive part. 

5) Loss of PEN externally: The Tesla I'm guessing would detect any possible lift in earth potential of the TNCS MET and could then switch into a safe condition (house disconnected entirely, other than bonding to PEN), and un-powered, or even maybe continue to generate for the house backup circuits, while floating on whatever fault condition PEN/bonding voltage was imposed on it. 

Have I reasoned this out right? 












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    davezawadi:

    I cannot see why anyone should buy one of these products, simply because we do have continuous electricity supplies and the life of lithium batteries so far has proved to be 500 - 1000 full cycles if you are lucky. That might be OK in a car (100,000 miles say), but it is probably only 3 years if you really want to make use of your solar electricity. It will be interesting to see how long these batteries last, and Tesla may well have a better product than those from elsewhere, but I would rather not take the risk from lots of experience with batteries for broadcasting etc.




     

    The trick is to never allow a full cycle on the battery. It's not a Tesla Powerwall, but I have a modest little battery bank in my loft.  The battery is rated at 3.3kWh.  But the battery management in the inverter will not let me use more than 3.0kWh.  The battery is supposed to last 10 years, though its capacity will gradually reduce over the years.


    Two things particularly wear out a LiIon battery: running them flat, and fast charging up to a full 100% charge.
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    davezawadi:

    I cannot see why anyone should buy one of these products, simply because we do have continuous electricity supplies and the life of lithium batteries so far has proved to be 500 - 1000 full cycles if you are lucky. That might be OK in a car (100,000 miles say), but it is probably only 3 years if you really want to make use of your solar electricity. It will be interesting to see how long these batteries last, and Tesla may well have a better product than those from elsewhere, but I would rather not take the risk from lots of experience with batteries for broadcasting etc.




     

    The trick is to never allow a full cycle on the battery. It's not a Tesla Powerwall, but I have a modest little battery bank in my loft.  The battery is rated at 3.3kWh.  But the battery management in the inverter will not let me use more than 3.0kWh.  The battery is supposed to last 10 years, though its capacity will gradually reduce over the years.


    Two things particularly wear out a LiIon battery: running them flat, and fast charging up to a full 100% charge.
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