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RCD disconnection times on a TT system

Hi Guys, first post after a long time reading the forums.


I have a client questioning the disconnection times provided by a 30mA type A RCBO on a TT system, tripping times provided are 221ms at 30mA and below 40ms at 150mA.


It protects a 16A socket in an outdoor environment, so must comply with the disconnection time provided in Table 41.1 of BS7671 of 0.2 seconds

Looking at table 3A on page 363, that states that a 30mA RCD must trip within 300ms at 1x, which is obviously outside the limits above, and 40ms at 5x.


Can we state that because the 5x test trips at less than 40ms it complies with fault protection, or does the 30mA disconnection time also have to comply?


Thanks in advance for any guidance you can offer.
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  • That figure does seem very high.

    Longest time I`ve ever witnessed on an RCD (TN system) was about 90mS (at x1 on a 30mA) and was alarmed at that. For practical reasons the circuit could not be powered down for more than a few seconds but a very quick swap of two RCD circuits revealled the long time stayed with the circuit not the RCD and there were many fridges and freezers on that circuit. I asked my night school 2380 tutor that evening if he agreed with me that the fridges/freezers total was causing this extra time and he that quite likely. A few days later I was able to disconnect all appliances from these circuits and the readings were as I expected . At that time we were taught that circuit itself should be left connected and all appliances disconnect in order that the circuit wiring comes into that test (if a ring then at near midpoint too) . The bloke who was testing was on the 2391 course at the time and his tutor agreed likely too.

    I do not do many TT installs.

    I`d suggest trying another RCD if possible and also a different test meter.

    Although BS (EN) allows 300ms and the old BS allowed 200ms I never saw any RCD that was not far faster than both allowed on a non delayed RCD.

    I think your reading obtained would cause me concern.

    Having said that I have tested only a limited range of makes and it`s possible that some other makes do tend to have slower times
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  • That figure does seem very high.

    Longest time I`ve ever witnessed on an RCD (TN system) was about 90mS (at x1 on a 30mA) and was alarmed at that. For practical reasons the circuit could not be powered down for more than a few seconds but a very quick swap of two RCD circuits revealled the long time stayed with the circuit not the RCD and there were many fridges and freezers on that circuit. I asked my night school 2380 tutor that evening if he agreed with me that the fridges/freezers total was causing this extra time and he that quite likely. A few days later I was able to disconnect all appliances from these circuits and the readings were as I expected . At that time we were taught that circuit itself should be left connected and all appliances disconnect in order that the circuit wiring comes into that test (if a ring then at near midpoint too) . The bloke who was testing was on the 2391 course at the time and his tutor agreed likely too.

    I do not do many TT installs.

    I`d suggest trying another RCD if possible and also a different test meter.

    Although BS (EN) allows 300ms and the old BS allowed 200ms I never saw any RCD that was not far faster than both allowed on a non delayed RCD.

    I think your reading obtained would cause me concern.

    Having said that I have tested only a limited range of makes and it`s possible that some other makes do tend to have slower times
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