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Part P - new circuits

Installing a new circuit from the CU is notifiable to the LABC under Part P of the Building Regulations.


Examples include:

1. A circuit for a burglar alarm.

2. A circuit for outside lights.

3. Removing a fixed appliance (such as a heater) from a ring main and providing it with its own dedicated MCB.


However, additions and alterations to existing circuits are not notifiable.


This creates a situation where certain contractors who are not registered electricians are forced to connect any appliances they install to existing circuits rather than providing them with their own dedicated circuits and MCB. Examples include burglar alarm installers wiring alarms to ceiling lights or kitchen fitters wiring heaters to ring mains and cooker switches.


It's probably safe to say that only a small fraction of homeowners are aware that new circuits are notifiable to the LABC under Part P, and a high proportion of them completely ignore the regulations when it comes to their own DIY installations. It's also quite commonplace for cables for new circuits to be installed by builders or labourers, rather than electricians, even if they do not connect them to the appliance or the CU.


Part P regulations have also resulted in a phenomenon of plug-in houses where a large amount of permanent or semi-permanent wiring, including to ceiling lights, is plugged into sockets on a ring main. Anything which is plugged into a socket is outside of the scope of Part P regulations.


My own view of Part P regulations for new circuits, from the perspective of an engineer rather than an electrician, is that methods used by DIY installers or contractors to circumvent having to notify LABC can potentially result in installations that are more dangerous than if they were powered from a new circuit.


Would it make more sense to abolish notification of the LABC for new circuits?
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  • kfh:



    I thought one of the drivers for Part Pee was to allow kitchen fitters etc to get qualifications which would allow them to self certify their work when installing additional sockets etc as part of their main work.


    While the intention may have been good it allowed a lot of people to register with a scam as part Pee certified and then to take on work outside their level of experience and competence. 


    There were all these fly by night training courses for kitchen fitters, burglar alarm installers, etc. to enable them to self certify their work, with the result that many decided to add consumer unit replacements or even entire house rewires to their repertoire of services they advertised despite the fact that they were not properly trained and qualified electricians.


    There seem to be  lot of installations around with spare circuits originally installed that "electricians" have been able to use to get around the notification of new circuits requirement.


    There is the big question as to what is considered to be an existing circuit. In a similar way that there are roads to nowhere, there can be cables emanating from a CU that come to an abrupt end in a terminal box nearby. Could these be used by the burglar alarm installer or a homeowner who is installing a pond pump and a couple of outside lights in the back garden in order to circumvent having to notify LABC?


    Does an existing circuit even need to have any cable connected to it or is it defined by a MCB or RCBO being physically present in the CU even if nothing is connected to it?
     

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  • kfh:



    I thought one of the drivers for Part Pee was to allow kitchen fitters etc to get qualifications which would allow them to self certify their work when installing additional sockets etc as part of their main work.


    While the intention may have been good it allowed a lot of people to register with a scam as part Pee certified and then to take on work outside their level of experience and competence. 


    There were all these fly by night training courses for kitchen fitters, burglar alarm installers, etc. to enable them to self certify their work, with the result that many decided to add consumer unit replacements or even entire house rewires to their repertoire of services they advertised despite the fact that they were not properly trained and qualified electricians.


    There seem to be  lot of installations around with spare circuits originally installed that "electricians" have been able to use to get around the notification of new circuits requirement.


    There is the big question as to what is considered to be an existing circuit. In a similar way that there are roads to nowhere, there can be cables emanating from a CU that come to an abrupt end in a terminal box nearby. Could these be used by the burglar alarm installer or a homeowner who is installing a pond pump and a couple of outside lights in the back garden in order to circumvent having to notify LABC?


    Does an existing circuit even need to have any cable connected to it or is it defined by a MCB or RCBO being physically present in the CU even if nothing is connected to it?
     

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