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On-Site Guide BS 7671:2018 - 7.2.2 Socket-outlet circuits

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Hello, I am studying the On-Site Guide and have reached Section 7 Final Circuits.


7.2.2 Socket-outlet circuits

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As a rule of thumb for rings, unfused spur lengths should not exceed 1/8 the cable length from the spur to the furthest point of the ring.

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I should like to ask, what does this mean?


The length of the cable used for the non-fused spur is the length of the cable from where it connects to ring final circuit at the terminals of a socket-outlet (or junction box...), to the terminals at the other end of the cable where it connects to a single or twin socket-outlet.


What is the length ‘from the spur to the furthest point of the ring’? Does ‘from the spur’ mean from the the point where the spur connects to the circuit? Does ‘to the furthest point of the ring’ mean to the furthest point away from where the spur connects to the circuit i.e. half the length of the ring final circuit? If so, the maximum lengths would be the same for all spurs on that circuit.


Or, does it mean from where the spur connects to the circuit to the point which is the furthest away from the protection device in the consumer unit i.e. a point half way around the circuit beginning from the consumer unit? If so, the maximum length of the spur cable would be longest nearer to the consumer unit and shorter as the furthest point away is reached... Surely this cannot be correct, because at the furthest point the maximum length would be zero - !


So, in conclusion: 

1/ establish the full length of the ring final circuit;

2/ find the furthest point of the ring by dividing the full length by two;

3/ divide that length by 8 to find the maximum length of a spur cable for that particular ring final circuit.


Please would someone confirm my understanding or explain what the sentence within 7.2.2 actually means?


Many thanks!


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  • The sentence in 7.2.2 makes no direct reference to the Wiring Regulations, and it is ambiguous.

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    I am not assuming that I am correct, but I am trying to understand.

    Perhaps start off considering what bits of BS 7671 effectively limit the length of a circuit. Things like Zs, voltage drop (and occasionally L-N loop impedance) come to mind. There's no single place in the regs that define these requirement - its a combination of lots of separate requirements.


    Then consider the effect on circuit length of adding a spur to various points on a ring - both a ring that's already at its maximum circuit length and a ring that's somewhat shorter.


    Remember that this is all ultimately driven by the laws of physics - rather than what would be convenient to an electrician.


       -  Andy.
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  • The sentence in 7.2.2 makes no direct reference to the Wiring Regulations, and it is ambiguous.

    :

    I am not assuming that I am correct, but I am trying to understand.

    Perhaps start off considering what bits of BS 7671 effectively limit the length of a circuit. Things like Zs, voltage drop (and occasionally L-N loop impedance) come to mind. There's no single place in the regs that define these requirement - its a combination of lots of separate requirements.


    Then consider the effect on circuit length of adding a spur to various points on a ring - both a ring that's already at its maximum circuit length and a ring that's somewhat shorter.


    Remember that this is all ultimately driven by the laws of physics - rather than what would be convenient to an electrician.


       -  Andy.
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