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On-Site Guide BS 7671:2018 - 7.2.2 Socket-outlet circuits

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Hello, I am studying the On-Site Guide and have reached Section 7 Final Circuits.


7.2.2 Socket-outlet circuits

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As a rule of thumb for rings, unfused spur lengths should not exceed 1/8 the cable length from the spur to the furthest point of the ring.

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I should like to ask, what does this mean?


The length of the cable used for the non-fused spur is the length of the cable from where it connects to ring final circuit at the terminals of a socket-outlet (or junction box...), to the terminals at the other end of the cable where it connects to a single or twin socket-outlet.


What is the length ‘from the spur to the furthest point of the ring’? Does ‘from the spur’ mean from the the point where the spur connects to the circuit? Does ‘to the furthest point of the ring’ mean to the furthest point away from where the spur connects to the circuit i.e. half the length of the ring final circuit? If so, the maximum lengths would be the same for all spurs on that circuit.


Or, does it mean from where the spur connects to the circuit to the point which is the furthest away from the protection device in the consumer unit i.e. a point half way around the circuit beginning from the consumer unit? If so, the maximum length of the spur cable would be longest nearer to the consumer unit and shorter as the furthest point away is reached... Surely this cannot be correct, because at the furthest point the maximum length would be zero - !


So, in conclusion: 

1/ establish the full length of the ring final circuit;

2/ find the furthest point of the ring by dividing the full length by two;

3/ divide that length by 8 to find the maximum length of a spur cable for that particular ring final circuit.


Please would someone confirm my understanding or explain what the sentence within 7.2.2 actually means?


Many thanks!


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    Well, I still don’t have a definitive answer but this is what I feel must be somewhere nearer to the truth than me just guessing...


    On an 80m ring final circuit, the electricity is ‘evenly distributed’. So, if I plug a radio into a socket, it will draw electricity both ways around the ring. If the socket happens to be near to the supply it will draw the electricity a short way one way and a long way the other way. If the socket happens to be 1/4 of the way around the ring, the radio will draw electricity 1/4 one way and 3/4 the other way around the ring. Again, if the socket is half way around the ring it will draw the electricity 1/2 one way and 1/2 the other way. Effectively, in whichever location the socket happens to be the electricity ‘travels’ one whole circuit of the ring (...).


    By induction, I suspect that the 1/8 rule must work on a similar principle. If the socket happens to be at the ‘furthest point‘, it is 0m one way but 80m measuring the other way. Dividing by two gives 40m. Applying the rule of thumb results in a maximum spur length of 5m. Somehow, because a ring final operates differently to a radial - because the electricity is ‘evenly distributed’ - the maximum length of any spur for a given ring is always the same (and the maximum length of the spur relates directly to the maximum length of the ring - up to the safe maximum for a ring)...


    Hmm, well it just doesn’t make any useful sense interpreted the other way. The On-Site Guide can’t say that ‘you can have one unfused spur at every socket’ and then give you a rule of thumb that if interpreted literally, precludes the use of spurs anywhere approaching ‘the furthest point’.


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    Well, I still don’t have a definitive answer but this is what I feel must be somewhere nearer to the truth than me just guessing...


    On an 80m ring final circuit, the electricity is ‘evenly distributed’. So, if I plug a radio into a socket, it will draw electricity both ways around the ring. If the socket happens to be near to the supply it will draw the electricity a short way one way and a long way the other way. If the socket happens to be 1/4 of the way around the ring, the radio will draw electricity 1/4 one way and 3/4 the other way around the ring. Again, if the socket is half way around the ring it will draw the electricity 1/2 one way and 1/2 the other way. Effectively, in whichever location the socket happens to be the electricity ‘travels’ one whole circuit of the ring (...).


    By induction, I suspect that the 1/8 rule must work on a similar principle. If the socket happens to be at the ‘furthest point‘, it is 0m one way but 80m measuring the other way. Dividing by two gives 40m. Applying the rule of thumb results in a maximum spur length of 5m. Somehow, because a ring final operates differently to a radial - because the electricity is ‘evenly distributed’ - the maximum length of any spur for a given ring is always the same (and the maximum length of the spur relates directly to the maximum length of the ring - up to the safe maximum for a ring)...


    Hmm, well it just doesn’t make any useful sense interpreted the other way. The On-Site Guide can’t say that ‘you can have one unfused spur at every socket’ and then give you a rule of thumb that if interpreted literally, precludes the use of spurs anywhere approaching ‘the furthest point’.


    Most unsatisfactory...
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