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Matt.e, hot tubs and PME

Q1. According to Guidance Note 7, when installing hot tubs, section 702 should be applied in full. The note to regulation 702.410.3.4.3 recommends that when PME is used, a mat or electrode of 20 ohms or less be connected to the supplementary bonding.



So, if no supplementary bonding is present because there are no extr/exp.c.parts, does an electrode/mat still need to be installed (anywhere on the system)?



Q2. A Matt.e device (https://matt-e.co.uk/single-phase-connection-units/), as used in EV charging to comply with Regulation 722.411.4.1 (iv), of Amd 1, is installed on a tub supply, on a PME system.



So, given it's a hot tub, does the electrode/mat still need to be installed as per the note to regulation 702.410.3.4.3, when:


a) supplementary bonding is present, and,


b) when no exp/extr.c.parts are present, hence no suppl bonding?



(and no, this isn't work I've done).



 



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  • The other approach to reducing step voltage is to have the users feet effectively insulated to a degree from terra-firma - hot tubs surrounded by decking or installed in wooden floored sheds effectively achieve this already, the reason it is not recommended is that the degree of isolation achieved is hard to verify, and if the decking can be lifted and taken away, then what.. In substations the same effect is achieved by gravel that is free draining (think like railway ballast), for a barefoot environment that is not applicable. Damp concrete slabs laid without a damp proof membrane actually can be quite well earthed to the ground below - if you have ever measured the Ze of rebar in a cement sub floor or foundations, in the manner of Mr Ufer's electrode, even without the conductive cement additives, quite respectable earth resistances are possible.


    Of course if there are lethal step voltages around a property due to PME that are nothing to do with the hot tub, then many non-electrical wet activities, like children playing in inflatable paddling pools and watering the garden in flip-flops also become dangerous, so any tingles should be reported and investigated as soon as possible.

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  • The other approach to reducing step voltage is to have the users feet effectively insulated to a degree from terra-firma - hot tubs surrounded by decking or installed in wooden floored sheds effectively achieve this already, the reason it is not recommended is that the degree of isolation achieved is hard to verify, and if the decking can be lifted and taken away, then what.. In substations the same effect is achieved by gravel that is free draining (think like railway ballast), for a barefoot environment that is not applicable. Damp concrete slabs laid without a damp proof membrane actually can be quite well earthed to the ground below - if you have ever measured the Ze of rebar in a cement sub floor or foundations, in the manner of Mr Ufer's electrode, even without the conductive cement additives, quite respectable earth resistances are possible.


    Of course if there are lethal step voltages around a property due to PME that are nothing to do with the hot tub, then many non-electrical wet activities, like children playing in inflatable paddling pools and watering the garden in flip-flops also become dangerous, so any tingles should be reported and investigated as soon as possible.

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