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Can Zs at DB ever be less than the Zs of the feeding circuit?

Former Community Member
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I am reviewing an EICR recently issued for a building with several Distribution Boards feeding sub-Distribution Boards.

I have noted that in some instances, the figure recorded for 'Zs at this board' is significantly less than the Maximum Measured Zs for the circuit recorded on the feeding DB.

e.g. DB FF4 is recorded as being fed from DB FF1.  The feeding circuit to DB FF4 is recorded as having a Maximum measured Zs of 0.4 Ohm, but the 'Zs at this board' for FF4 is recorded as 0.05 Ohm - which is less than the 'Zs at this board' recorded for FF1 (0.08 Ohm) - and which, is in fact, in turn itself less than the 'Maximum measured Zs' for the circuit feeding it.  Can this be true or are there errors in the report?  I thought that cascaded Zs can only get larger due to the added impedance of the feeding circuits? This is not my primary area of expertise, but I am concerned that the EICR is being used to justify the upgrade of several circuits which have passed previous inspections with no problem (hope the resolution of the extracts from the EICR below are sufficient resolution to read)...

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Many thanks if anyone is able to confirm my concerns or otherwise put me straight...
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  • Former Community Member
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    Many thanks for everyone's responses to date on this.

    I do not know what they did regarding disconnecting loads etc when they did their tests.  This was actually a medium-size 2-storey church building built over 100 years ago, so not, for example, sprawling over a multi-building site, but has had various extensions and modifications over the years, so may have some structural steel members here and there.  The inspector has acknowledged multiple errors in the report elsewhere, but I was checking if these Zs values were also a bit of a red flag.  There is concern over one particular area of work that he has recommended, which is to replace/upgrade a circuit for reasons that the EICR does not support (a circuit which the inspector says in his observations is only protected by a 32A fuse, but which the EICR clearly says is protected by a 100A fuse). When pushed for clarity, he is now saying 'ah well, that circuit is actually fed from another circuit which is mislabelled'. The whole thing is just a bit fishy, but I am not sure whether to call him out on it or not.  He may be telling the truth, but the EICR (marked unsatisfactory) that he has issued seems to be full of factual/typo errors and I just cannot see that it clearly supports the conclusion that there is a circuit that need upgrading.  If you take the report at face value, as written, it is claiming that connections/circuits exist that just do not exist on the report and which were not recorded on the last inspection report 5 years ago by a different inspector/company. Either his report has failed to record the bad circuits that do exist, or he is recommending to replace circuits that the EICR does not indicate need replacing/upgrading.  On many of the circuits on the EICR, the 'Maximum measured Zs' for an individual circuit bears no resemblance at all to the 'Zs at this board' + the measured R2 for the circuit.
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    Many thanks for everyone's responses to date on this.

    I do not know what they did regarding disconnecting loads etc when they did their tests.  This was actually a medium-size 2-storey church building built over 100 years ago, so not, for example, sprawling over a multi-building site, but has had various extensions and modifications over the years, so may have some structural steel members here and there.  The inspector has acknowledged multiple errors in the report elsewhere, but I was checking if these Zs values were also a bit of a red flag.  There is concern over one particular area of work that he has recommended, which is to replace/upgrade a circuit for reasons that the EICR does not support (a circuit which the inspector says in his observations is only protected by a 32A fuse, but which the EICR clearly says is protected by a 100A fuse). When pushed for clarity, he is now saying 'ah well, that circuit is actually fed from another circuit which is mislabelled'. The whole thing is just a bit fishy, but I am not sure whether to call him out on it or not.  He may be telling the truth, but the EICR (marked unsatisfactory) that he has issued seems to be full of factual/typo errors and I just cannot see that it clearly supports the conclusion that there is a circuit that need upgrading.  If you take the report at face value, as written, it is claiming that connections/circuits exist that just do not exist on the report and which were not recorded on the last inspection report 5 years ago by a different inspector/company. Either his report has failed to record the bad circuits that do exist, or he is recommending to replace circuits that the EICR does not indicate need replacing/upgrading.  On many of the circuits on the EICR, the 'Maximum measured Zs' for an individual circuit bears no resemblance at all to the 'Zs at this board' + the measured R2 for the circuit.
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