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Anomaly in EICR

Situation; I have owned and let for about 17 years a small (1 bed) flat in large converted house. Conversion was done in 1987, six years or so before I bought. The property is in England.


A Managing Agent looks after tenant's requests and has a raft of contractors on their books for everything from plumbing and electrics to carpet-fitting, decoration and gardening. MA calls us for approval before engaging their contractor on any job. They arrange regular GasSafe inspections and certificates and at our request carried out an asbestos survey (none found!).


They have just written to advise that in line with new regulation they sent their electrician to carry out an EICR on the flat. Copies of the completed EICR and a quote for remedying defects arrived with their inspection advice.


I don't know why, but I'm always a little wary of such combined "we found a dangerous fault, but don't worry we can fix it for you" quotes.


I'm quite possibly wrong here, so I'd appreciate experienced opinion.

I really am not trying to avoid works that are necessary, even if they would require my tenant to move out (in the event of a full rewire for example).

Cut to the chase.


In the quote, one of the discovered faults to be repaired is described as, "No end to end reading on ring circuit, locate fault and re-terminate".

That same message is repeated in section 7 (Observations and recommendations) of the EICR, "No end to end reading on R2 - Locate and terminate" - with a C2 classification.


Ok. An open-circuit of the cpc loop needs finding and fixing, but..


In section 16 (Schedule of circuits and test results) the values for r1, rn and r2 are written in as 0.55, 0.54 and 0.84.


Can someone explain how the 0.84 Ohms measurement was made with an open cpc loop?

(I think 0.84 Ohms is quite good for 1.5mm vs 2.5mm. With r1 and rn around 0.55 I'd have expected at least 0.9.)



Moving on from that, and now feeling unsure of the veracity of the inspector's report:-


Next old chestnut; "Old consumer unit with no RCD protection - replace". To my certain knowledge there has been no modification or addition to the flat's electrics since I bought it. Has "retrospective normalisation" now caught up with us? I do realise that there are different regulations for let properties... Another C2.


Lastly; "Excessive exposed copper within sockets, need re-terminating. Another C2.

Again, to my certain knowledge there has been no modification or addition to the flat's electrics since I bought it.



To add to the pressure, EICR sect. 6 recommends next inspection in 2 weeks.



I doubt the electrician will want to engage with me if I question the report, far less re-quote with reduced scope.

Would it be best to ask the MA to arrange another, independent, EICR?

Please be assured, I do NOT suggest simply finding an electrician who will sign off an unsafe installation. If it is unsafe, or safe but doesn't meet regs, it must be rectified.


Sorry for the long post, but I've tried to include all relevant info.
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    Hi and thanks for the replies on the provision of SPDs. The property has been in family ownership for 30 years. In fact I did the original wiring. The supply provision is underground and the Consumer unit split loaded with the incoming switch hosting the Oven, Immersion heater and 3 lighting circuits. The split side protected by 30 ma RCD protection servicing the ring main sockets and electric shower. All the wiring has cpc wired as twin and earths throughout.  I am lothed to install a 100amp RCD on the input as up this point in time never had any unwanted tripping, but consider the oven may produce this on warm up.


    I do understand the issues with SPD installations as for many years ran multiple Data Centre operations and load switching in megawatts, so switching surges being the enemy of routine maintenance operations and unforeseen power outages.


    The contractor is back today to test the supplementary bonding in the property which they failed to do  on their initial EICR. They even had a copy of the previous certification with a Satisfactory result. New contractor new regs seem to be the problem. Nothing else has changed apart from some insurers beginning to specify that SPD’ be installed as you also point out..Many thanks to all the reply posts.  Hope this ha gone away today and we get Satisfactory certification with a C 3 for the SPD provision. and the 3 lighting circuits.  Regards. Robert.
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  • Former Community Member
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    Hi and thanks for the replies on the provision of SPDs. The property has been in family ownership for 30 years. In fact I did the original wiring. The supply provision is underground and the Consumer unit split loaded with the incoming switch hosting the Oven, Immersion heater and 3 lighting circuits. The split side protected by 30 ma RCD protection servicing the ring main sockets and electric shower. All the wiring has cpc wired as twin and earths throughout.  I am lothed to install a 100amp RCD on the input as up this point in time never had any unwanted tripping, but consider the oven may produce this on warm up.


    I do understand the issues with SPD installations as for many years ran multiple Data Centre operations and load switching in megawatts, so switching surges being the enemy of routine maintenance operations and unforeseen power outages.


    The contractor is back today to test the supplementary bonding in the property which they failed to do  on their initial EICR. They even had a copy of the previous certification with a Satisfactory result. New contractor new regs seem to be the problem. Nothing else has changed apart from some insurers beginning to specify that SPD’ be installed as you also point out..Many thanks to all the reply posts.  Hope this ha gone away today and we get Satisfactory certification with a C 3 for the SPD provision. and the 3 lighting circuits.  Regards. Robert.
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