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EV socket

Literature from one manufacturer claims that their unit, which is 7Kw single-phase, provides open pen protection in accordance with 722.411.4.1 (iii) but does not require an earth electrode. If the claim is correct, am I missing something? For compliance with that indent,  I thought that the only way it could be done was to provide a measurement electrode unless the unit was three phase.
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  • Simon Barker:

    My guess would be that it measures the LE voltage and the NE voltage.  LE should be about 230V and NE should be about 0V.  Anything else suggests a fault - and it doesn't really matter exactly what the fault is.  A completely broken PEN is liable to float at about 115V, especially if there are LE and NE filter capacitors.


    In a PME installation in of earthing type TN-C-S, and in some PNB systems, N-E voltage will almost always be zero, so measuring N-PE at the charge point a red herring - it will never show you anything.


    The PEN conductor does indeed float about - but not necessarily at 115 V.



    • If the break is on the single-phase cable to the premises, N will approach the supply voltage to Earth.

    • If the break is in a three-phase portion of the network, you can get a voltage from 0 (if all phases downstream of the break are balanced) to above 340 V (yes, that's rms ... to Earth ... and I know this is greater than U0, but that's what reactance does for you)



     


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  • Simon Barker:

    My guess would be that it measures the LE voltage and the NE voltage.  LE should be about 230V and NE should be about 0V.  Anything else suggests a fault - and it doesn't really matter exactly what the fault is.  A completely broken PEN is liable to float at about 115V, especially if there are LE and NE filter capacitors.


    In a PME installation in of earthing type TN-C-S, and in some PNB systems, N-E voltage will almost always be zero, so measuring N-PE at the charge point a red herring - it will never show you anything.


    The PEN conductor does indeed float about - but not necessarily at 115 V.



    • If the break is on the single-phase cable to the premises, N will approach the supply voltage to Earth.

    • If the break is in a three-phase portion of the network, you can get a voltage from 0 (if all phases downstream of the break are balanced) to above 340 V (yes, that's rms ... to Earth ... and I know this is greater than U0, but that's what reactance does for you)



     


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