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Extraneous conductive parts

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Hello,


Thinking about a domestic dwelling with main bonding to incoming water and gas pipes (even though most are plastic nowadays); all the electrical circuits within the dwelling are protected by RCDs; the only extraneous conductive parts to the bathroom being copper water pipes and copper central heating pipes... Why would the copper pipes need to be main bonded one to another close to the bathroom (in an accessible place for testing, like in an airing cupboard)?


Designing an installation which uses the cold water pipe in place of a main bonding cable (having a cross-sectional area which is greater, after all), why would any of the other three pipes need to be main bonded to that cold water pipe, when all of the pipes connect at the boiler any how?! Yes, if you were to cut all of the pipes and to replace them with plastic pipes then you risk introducing an electrical potential into the bathroom should a fault occur, but wouldn’t anyone doing that plumbing be obliged to consider this risk at that time? 


Otherwise, there is no point considering the use of copper pipes to replace main bonding cables. In which case, it would be necessary to bond the pipes one to another just outside the bathroom and run the cable all of the way back to the consumer unit.


I must excuse myself for being indolent and not referring directly to the wiring regulations, which is from where these ideas stem.
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    Challenge met...


    On-Site Guide BS 7671:2018


    Page 93


    Locations containing a bath or shower


    8.1 Summary of requirements

    ...

    Supplementary bonding of locations containing a bath or shower is required unless all the following requirements are met:

    * all circuits... meet... disconnection times

    * all circuits... have additional protection by 30mA RCDs

    * all extraneous-conductive parts... are effectively connected by main bonding conductors to the main earthing terminal of the installation


    Page 94


    Note: An example of this is where a metallic water service pipe enters the building in the bathroom and would be connected to the main earthing terminal of the electrical installation by means of a main bonding conductor


    And...


    Requirements for Electrical Installations BS 7671:2018


    Page 241


    701.415.2 Supplementary protective equipotential bonding

    ...may be omitted where all of the following conditions are met:

    ...

    (vi) All extraneous-conductive-parts of the location are effectively connected to the protective equipotential bonding according to Regulation 411.3.1.2

    NOTE: The effectiveness of the connection of the extraneous-conductive-parts in the location to the main earthing terminal may be assessed, where necessary, by the application of Regulation 415.2.2


    Page 74


    415.2.2 The resistance R between simultaneously accessible exposed-conductive-parts and extraneous-conductive-parts shall fulfil the following condition:

    R < or = 50 V/Ia       in AC systems

    ...

    where Ia is the operating curr3nt in amperes (A) of the protective device or:

    (i) for RCDs, I^n

    (ii) for overcurrent devices, the 5 s operating current.

           

    Page 58


    411.3.2.2 Maximum disconnection times stated in Table 41.1 shall be applied to final circuits...


    Page 59


    TABLE 41.1 - Maximum disconnection times

    ...

    NOTE 1: Disconnection is not required for protection against electric shock but may be required for other reasons, such as protection against thermal effects.


    Page 241


    701.411.3.3 Additional protection by RCDs

    Additional protection by the use of one or more RCDs...

    (I) serving the location

    (I) passing through zones 1 and/or 2 not serving the location


    Page 58


    411.3.1.2 Protective equipotential bonding

    ...main protective bonding conductors... shall connect to the main earthing terminal extraneous-conductive-parts including the following:

    (i)Water installation pipes

    (ii) Gas installation pipes

    (iii) Other installation pipe work and ducting

    (iv) Central heating and air conditioning systems

    (v) Exposed metallic structural parts of the building




    An acquired taste, this required reading.

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    Challenge met...


    On-Site Guide BS 7671:2018


    Page 93


    Locations containing a bath or shower


    8.1 Summary of requirements

    ...

    Supplementary bonding of locations containing a bath or shower is required unless all the following requirements are met:

    * all circuits... meet... disconnection times

    * all circuits... have additional protection by 30mA RCDs

    * all extraneous-conductive parts... are effectively connected by main bonding conductors to the main earthing terminal of the installation


    Page 94


    Note: An example of this is where a metallic water service pipe enters the building in the bathroom and would be connected to the main earthing terminal of the electrical installation by means of a main bonding conductor


    And...


    Requirements for Electrical Installations BS 7671:2018


    Page 241


    701.415.2 Supplementary protective equipotential bonding

    ...may be omitted where all of the following conditions are met:

    ...

    (vi) All extraneous-conductive-parts of the location are effectively connected to the protective equipotential bonding according to Regulation 411.3.1.2

    NOTE: The effectiveness of the connection of the extraneous-conductive-parts in the location to the main earthing terminal may be assessed, where necessary, by the application of Regulation 415.2.2


    Page 74


    415.2.2 The resistance R between simultaneously accessible exposed-conductive-parts and extraneous-conductive-parts shall fulfil the following condition:

    R < or = 50 V/Ia       in AC systems

    ...

    where Ia is the operating curr3nt in amperes (A) of the protective device or:

    (i) for RCDs, I^n

    (ii) for overcurrent devices, the 5 s operating current.

           

    Page 58


    411.3.2.2 Maximum disconnection times stated in Table 41.1 shall be applied to final circuits...


    Page 59


    TABLE 41.1 - Maximum disconnection times

    ...

    NOTE 1: Disconnection is not required for protection against electric shock but may be required for other reasons, such as protection against thermal effects.


    Page 241


    701.411.3.3 Additional protection by RCDs

    Additional protection by the use of one or more RCDs...

    (I) serving the location

    (I) passing through zones 1 and/or 2 not serving the location


    Page 58


    411.3.1.2 Protective equipotential bonding

    ...main protective bonding conductors... shall connect to the main earthing terminal extraneous-conductive-parts including the following:

    (i)Water installation pipes

    (ii) Gas installation pipes

    (iii) Other installation pipe work and ducting

    (iv) Central heating and air conditioning systems

    (v) Exposed metallic structural parts of the building




    An acquired taste, this required reading.

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