This discussion is locked.
You cannot post a reply to this discussion. If you have a question start a new discussion

Extraneous conductive parts

Former Community Member
Former Community Member
Hello,


Thinking about a domestic dwelling with main bonding to incoming water and gas pipes (even though most are plastic nowadays); all the electrical circuits within the dwelling are protected by RCDs; the only extraneous conductive parts to the bathroom being copper water pipes and copper central heating pipes... Why would the copper pipes need to be main bonded one to another close to the bathroom (in an accessible place for testing, like in an airing cupboard)?


Designing an installation which uses the cold water pipe in place of a main bonding cable (having a cross-sectional area which is greater, after all), why would any of the other three pipes need to be main bonded to that cold water pipe, when all of the pipes connect at the boiler any how?! Yes, if you were to cut all of the pipes and to replace them with plastic pipes then you risk introducing an electrical potential into the bathroom should a fault occur, but wouldn’t anyone doing that plumbing be obliged to consider this risk at that time? 


Otherwise, there is no point considering the use of copper pipes to replace main bonding cables. In which case, it would be necessary to bond the pipes one to another just outside the bathroom and run the cable all of the way back to the consumer unit.


I must excuse myself for being indolent and not referring directly to the wiring regulations, which is from where these ideas stem.
Parents
  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member
    I am somewhat disappointed in myself, I must confess. Effectively, in my mind, I have conflated and muddled the two ideas of Supplementary Bonding and Main Bonding. 


    I have dusted out a few cobwebs and clarified a few thoughts, ahem...


    Supplementary Bonding is no longer required, provided that all circuits are protected by RCDs and that all copper pipes (and any other extraneous-conductive-parts, for that matter), are ‘effectively connected by main bonding conductors to the earth terminal of the installation’ (page 93 of the On-Site Guide). Whether those pipes are ‘effectively connected’ can be tested by performing a ‘continuity test’ (and rectifying matters, should anyone happen to have replaced a section of copper pipe with plastic, without taking necessary precautions to protect the ‘main bonding’...). The operation of an RCD when an earth  fault occurs depends upon all extraneous-conductive-parts being effectively connected to earth via the main bonding conductor (10mm2 for TN-C-S, see Table 4.4(ii), page 48). Apart from being required to be connected to extraneous-conductive-parts within 600mm of the entry point to the dwelling (eg. gas and water pipes), the only other requirement is for extraneous-conductive-parts to a location containing a bath or shower to be ‘effectively connected’ by main protective conductors to the main earthing terminal of the installation. Any additional connections would need to be convenient for inspection and testing purposes.


    Yes, if I were thinking about the Supplementary Bonding of a bathroom (because I did not have RCDs installed on all circuits...), I would need to correctly connect any extraneous-conductive-parts entering the location to one another (i.e. a supplementary conductor strapped to the copper pipes...), and to the exposed-conductive-parts (i.e. the earth terminals of any lights, switches, or other permitted electrical parts...). See Table 4.6 on page 50 (e.g. cpc of 10mm2 t&e for a shower would be 4mm2, therefore 4mm2 would be the effective maximum, but - again, showing my lack of real world experience - it might be a lot easier to use the smaller size cables permitted, to link some of the exposed-conductive-parts (eg. lighting and switches...).


    Well, that’s that sorted...


Reply
  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member
    I am somewhat disappointed in myself, I must confess. Effectively, in my mind, I have conflated and muddled the two ideas of Supplementary Bonding and Main Bonding. 


    I have dusted out a few cobwebs and clarified a few thoughts, ahem...


    Supplementary Bonding is no longer required, provided that all circuits are protected by RCDs and that all copper pipes (and any other extraneous-conductive-parts, for that matter), are ‘effectively connected by main bonding conductors to the earth terminal of the installation’ (page 93 of the On-Site Guide). Whether those pipes are ‘effectively connected’ can be tested by performing a ‘continuity test’ (and rectifying matters, should anyone happen to have replaced a section of copper pipe with plastic, without taking necessary precautions to protect the ‘main bonding’...). The operation of an RCD when an earth  fault occurs depends upon all extraneous-conductive-parts being effectively connected to earth via the main bonding conductor (10mm2 for TN-C-S, see Table 4.4(ii), page 48). Apart from being required to be connected to extraneous-conductive-parts within 600mm of the entry point to the dwelling (eg. gas and water pipes), the only other requirement is for extraneous-conductive-parts to a location containing a bath or shower to be ‘effectively connected’ by main protective conductors to the main earthing terminal of the installation. Any additional connections would need to be convenient for inspection and testing purposes.


    Yes, if I were thinking about the Supplementary Bonding of a bathroom (because I did not have RCDs installed on all circuits...), I would need to correctly connect any extraneous-conductive-parts entering the location to one another (i.e. a supplementary conductor strapped to the copper pipes...), and to the exposed-conductive-parts (i.e. the earth terminals of any lights, switches, or other permitted electrical parts...). See Table 4.6 on page 50 (e.g. cpc of 10mm2 t&e for a shower would be 4mm2, therefore 4mm2 would be the effective maximum, but - again, showing my lack of real world experience - it might be a lot easier to use the smaller size cables permitted, to link some of the exposed-conductive-parts (eg. lighting and switches...).


    Well, that’s that sorted...


Children
No Data