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V.High PFC at switchfuse

Hello guys

I was looking at a job today at an old house divided into flats where a BS 88 dist board supplies my switch fuse with 60A (which is adjacent to it). The switch fuse is a dated MEM with a porcelain 60A BS3036 but looks in fair condition. Im getting 0.01 ohms ze at the switch fuse and due to this the PFC is off the scale.

Am i right in contemplating that as its a single phase supply under 100a, that the switchfuse's 60A rewireable 3036 breaking capacity can be overlooked as the upstream BS88 will take the brunt of any potential fault and let through no more than 3-4KA which the rewireable can then handle. While were on the topic of breaking capacity's, anyone know the BC of a ceramic MEM 60A 3036 ? I do need to record a suitable PFC value at the switch fuse, my multi tester is is reading 19.9KA (which likely calculates as off the scale). The PFC of the CU in the flat is an easier 3.5KA !


Thanks all



  • When the BS3036 fuse holders were being designed all the modern subtleties of PFC/PSSC were not high on the list. Unless marked otherwise assume it will break no more than 1kA totally safely if inserted live onto a fault, and rather  more without damage with the cover fitted, and quite a bit more without actually damaging anything but itself internally.


    For a higher official rating it needs to be the kind that is either shrouded or makes it hard to push a re-wired fuse in onto a fault, in some designs, that is done by interlocking the switch to make sure it can not turn on until the cover is in place.

    The problem that limits the breaking capacity is that in some more open versions, it can be that as the wire is vapourised by the fault, hot metal is ejected from the holes/gaps in the fuseholder over the  finger tips and hand pushing it in, not that it fails so violently that it demolishes the building.

    Assuming the BS88 is a sensible rating, then to a degree it will energy limit if there is a gross fault close to the BS3036 fuse, which the same thinking that allows 6kA MCBs in such a case and in practice in this case the danger is not great, so long as when the fuse is changed it is not refitted with the load switched on.


    As an aside, 19kA is quite high for this sort of thing (usually its the other way about, electric showers dim the lights etc) unless the transformer is in the basement below, and before panicking, I presume you have verified that your meter leads are in good order, correctly nulled and the meter is in cal and not low on battery.

  • Also, look at your MFT's precision specification: percentage or number of significant digits etc.
  • Be careful of the risk of asbestos being present in the fuse carrier.
  • Thanks for response guys, the switchfuse is a metal one which needs to be switched off before the cover can be removed therefore no chance of inserting a fuse in onto a fault. As s kindly pointed out, any explosions due to a future fault will be limited by the metal housing so I guess its deemed as safe for continued operation.. Nevertheless I will still need to record the breaking capacity of the switchfuse on a certificate and im not sure what value to enter ?? The BS88 fuse supplying the switchfuse will likely limit the fault current but to what value im not sure; this is a good learning curve for me !


    The Ze of 0.01 is not helped by the fact that earth from the switchfuse is via the metal trunking, there is no earth cable to speak of. So I cannot disconnect any parallel paths easily. Now im contemplating the breaking capacity of the BS88 fuses that supply the switchfuses (which are also dated 1970's I think, and of porcelain) these are 500v I expect as dist board is 3ph; would BS88's of that vintage have a 80KV rating and therefore reduce the need for downstream devices to be so high. Cheers
  • Horace Horace:

    The Ze of 0.01 is not helped by the fact that earth from the switchfuse is via the metal trunking, there is no earth cable to speak of. So I cannot disconnect any parallel paths easily. 


    You don't want to disconnect the parallel paths - you need to know the highest possible PFC.


    3.5 kA at the flat equates to a Zs of 0.07 Ω and an R1 + R2 of 0.06 Ω. If CSA of the conductors is 16 mm², that equates to a length of about 25 m. If the real length is significantly different, you need to question the accuracy of the measurements.


  • Chris Pearson:
    Horace Horace:

    The Ze of 0.01 is not helped by the fact that earth from the switchfuse is via the metal trunking, there is no earth cable to speak of. So I cannot disconnect any parallel paths easily. 


    You don't want to disconnect the parallel paths - you need to know the highest possible PFC.


    3.5 kA at the flat equates to a Zs of 0.07 Ω and an R1 + R2 of 0.06 Ω. If CSA of the conductors is 16 mm², that equates to a length of about 25 m. If the real length is significantly different, you need to question the accuracy of the measurements.




    The submain is t&e, probably imperial size between 10 and 16mm, replacing this would be a ballache. The bonding to the water goes back to the landlords cupboard on the stairs. Length is not 25m, somewhere up to 20m max.




  • Given the submain is T and E and that means a reduced earth core, 60 milli-ohms seems entirely credible for a distance of 20m.


    The BS88 fuse will not limit the current exactly in the same way that a resistor would. Rather it cuts the fault current off early - so the total damage done, which is related to the energy dissipated at contacts and other pinch  points. The parameter I2t is actually joules per ohm, and relates to the energy that is dissipated. Reducing 't' clearly reduces the peak energy, so volume of metal vaporised or melted, damage to insulation etc.

    Luckily we do not need to calculate this exactly, as the fuse makers have done this for us.  an explanation here for example.
  • Thanks for link, I will try to work that out.
  • If you get stuck, do please come back, but have a read first - this sort of thing has been asked on this forum and it's predecessor a no. of times, but it is easier if you can say ' I understand as far as X but not Y '  and are at least familiar with the terms used so there is not too much misunderstanding when folk start talking about let through energy, bullrush diagrams and so forth.