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New EICR - "No earth bond to some socket boxes: C2"?

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I have a new EICR which has the observation "No earth bond to some socket boxes: C2".


I have checked continuity between all faceplate mounting screws and the earth of the socket. They are all connected, i.e. the back box is at least earthed by the screw if not with a tail internally (I have not removed the front plates of any sockets). The earth of each socket is connected to the ring.


While it is best practice, is it a requirement of the regulations that a tail is connected internally?


many thanks



  • Are you still using the original electrician or is this another one that has become involved?
  • Exposed conductive parts must be earthed - 411.3.1.1 . Clearly, the back boxes are not exposed (at least I hope so), but the screws which they hold are. In the case of sockets, they are usually connected to the CPC via wee collars in the screw holes which are crimped to the earthed framework of the socket.


    If you can demonstrate continuity between the screws and a known earth (ideally the main earthing terminal) the circuit is compliant. The wee tail between the socket and back box is good practice. I would grade C3.


  • So long as one is a fixed metal lug, no problem.  You would be hard pushed to find a back box with both as adjustable lugs anyhow.
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    Sparkingchip:

    Are you still using the original electrician or is this another one that has become involved?


    Heh, I wondered if someone from my other post would comment. This is the same EICR. There are four observations in total:

    1. Lighting circuits have little or no earth : C1

    2. No back boxes on lighting circuit : C2

    3. No earth bond to some socket boxes : C2

    4. Water and Gas bonded but not found : C3



    Obviously 1. concerned me the most because C1 implies "Danger present. Risk of injury." The others I want to address. 2. I've addressed by the actions I describe in the other post (nylon screws, plastic pattress boxes). 3. I suspect is down to lack of earth tail inside the box, but the screws are earthed so the back box is earthed. Hence this post.


    4. I'm not worried about - the two are bonded under the floorboards near the CU. I will add another, more visible wire, when I rewire.


     


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  • The NAPIT Codebreakers, much maligned by some people though a good reference.


    I would probably have coded the two MK MCBs in the consumer unit that required some butchery of the enclosure to get them in it, as seen in the photo in your other post. I would definitely have been inspecting the busbar to see if that has been butchered as well.


    Whilst I would have probably applied different codes to the observations made, I would probably also have added a few more observations.


    You do seem to be trying to polish a t##d.


    Andy B.
  • I don`t like the "one fixed lug" will earth the socket/backbox together scenario as screws should be connected to it by flylead etc slack screws especially after decorating or indeed changed to nylon screws (Why? I don`t know!) is not uncommon, to me I think that (unless a conduit install c.p.c) then primarily the socket should be earthed and secondary a backbox should be connected to it by fly lead etc and relying on tightend metalic screws I`d frown upon. If the backbox is completely buried in the wall I`d still feel a bit uncomforatable with no fly lead.


    But yes your contractor has gone OTT I`d say
  • There`s sometimes more butchery in electrical installations than in a butchers shop!   ?


  • The NAPIT Codebreakers, much maligned by some people though a good reference.


     


    If you wonder why it is so maligned, consider the ramifications of applying the following [dis] logic

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    In the first instance, it is a ring, likely for sockets so 30mA RCD, but aside from that you have put an unnecessary obstacle to negotiate for any person wanting to then apply an alteration or addition to that circuit. Or is this a way of forcing a rewire of that circuit if anyone is considering altering or adding to it?


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    Sparkingchip:
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    Thank you for that, very informative. The back boxes do have a solid lug so the "and" of "or/and" applies. There are both metallic and non-metallic faceplates but for both types the accessory mounting scews ARE connected by design to the CPC via the earth in the socket.


    So, no observation?