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EVSE questions

A major player in the EVSE market has kindly consented to provide some technical training for the electrical installation tutors at a training centre where I often tutor part-time. I imagine it is not entirely motivated by altruistic considerations but at least it gives an opportunity for the tutors and myself to get some kind of grasp on the various products on offer and where this particular manufacturer sees the direction of travel for EVSE. I am already aware that the company is moving away from products that rely on the installation of earth electrodes in PME situations and are placing considerable focus on load management. Is there any particular question that you would ask them given the opportunity?
  • Whilst the National Grid may cope the local networks delivering to homes won’t.


    There are too many homes with very old supply cables and looped supplies restricted to 60 amps.


    Hence the need for load management.


     Andy B.
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    So what about the ice caps, we are experiencing natural climate change. They will melt then freeze again.

    There is no evidence to suggest this is nothing man made. Which makes the whole EV thing a nonsense.

    Have a read of Wattsupwiththat ( www.http://wattsupwiththat.com )


  • davezawadi (David Stone):



    As far as cars go, I currently have a Ford thing with a stop-start engine and extra-low emission on loan. OK it works, but a new battery every couple of years is likely and the cost of one is £££. 


    Batteries need to be of the cranking type and not house type. So stop start can be an issue with a standard battery.


  • davezawadi (David Stone):

    Electric cars are good in jams as found in Bristol where I have ther misfortune to live. They are designed into the road system at every opportunity, because of "climate change" ...


    I have limited experience of driving in Bristol, but I am glad that I do not live there.


    Stop-start, batteries, what's wrong with a starting handle? Seriously!


  • Bristol, one of the places where people can use the restricted lanes to take the kids to school, but not when they have dropped them off and they are alone in the car driving to work, whilst the restricted lanes have filled up with pensioners going shopping.


    You know it makes sense.
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  • Ok Andy, you seem to think that total disconnection if the mains goes 20V down on normal indicates a broken CNE. It may, but may not. You can disconnect everything but disconnecting the Earth connection requires all manner of saftey systems to be safe, a single contactor doesn't do it at all. Remember that Earth connection needs to be disconnected in <40ms, just like an RCD. Any fault will disconnect and reconection cannot be automatic, can it? The fail would be all the time, not even occasionally with a real mains supply. A half-cycle at nearly zero volts is remarkably common and causes no trouble to anything except you mains disconnection idea. The problem is you do not have the time to wait, as waiting could kill someone!

    Not quite. BS 7671's requirement is for disconnection for the broken-PEN boxes within 5s not 40ms (722.411.4.1.(iv)) - which might sound poor, but is sort of in alignment with 5s disconnection times for L-PE faults on TN distribution circuits and probably better than for L-PEN faults imported from the DNO's system. I believe the idea is to reduce the likelihood of nuisance tripping due to the L being pulled down by L-N and L-PE faults elsewhere (which can take up to 5s to clear) and should also ride through many other minor events. Yes, I'd agree ideally you'd want something better than a multi-pole contactor for switching the c.p.c. - ideally ensuring it closes first, and have the close verified before closing L & N - and likewise ensuring L & N have opened before opening the c.p.c. - but I'm sure that's doable (safety relays have doing that kind of thing for machine guarding systems for decades) - although BS 7671's requirements on that point don't seem that onerous (543.3.3.101 ((ii) or (iii)).


    I guess more of a worry would be an accidental true-earthing of a live conductor (like in that farm thread recently) which can raise the CNE well above true earth without a corresponding drop in L-N voltage. Maybe that's one for the DPC.


       - Andy.
  • Jon Steward:
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    So what about the ice caps, we are experiencing natural climate change. They will melt then freeze again.

    There is no evidence to suggest this is nothing man made. Which makes the whole EV thing a nonsense.

    Have a read of Wattsupwiththat ( www.http://wattsupwiththat.com )


    I don't quite follow your argument - both of those graphs seem to show a definite upward trend...

       - Andy,


  • The trend shows we're on a warming part of the warming/freezing cycle and that it's a consistent upward trend, not accelerating.

    My point being that 'man made climate change' is what drives the zero emissions culture we're in today, when there is no sign that the planet is warming anything other than naturally.

    If it was accelerating out of control I would be on side with wind farms, EV's, banning fossil fuels etc. But it's not and shows no sign of doing so.
  • Jon Steward:

    The trend shows we're on a warming part of the warming/freezing cycle and that it's a consistent upward trend, not accelerating.

    My point being that 'man made climate change' is what drives the zero emissions culture we're in today, when there is no sign that the planet is warming anything other than naturally.

    If it was accelerating out of control I would be on side with wind farms, EV's, banning fossil fuels etc. But it's not and shows no sign of doing so.


    er, are you suggesting that man-made effects must be exponential and natural ones are always linear?

       - Andy,