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BS 8519

Hello,


I understand that the standard identifies the need for a dedicated containment for the fire rated life safety circuits. I assume this is so the normal circuits (non fire rated) will not compromise the integrity of the life safety circuits in case of fire (eg normal circuits will be on fire before the fire rated circuits which will be next to them if they were installed on the same containment).


But wouldn’t the same happen with the cpcs of the life safety circuits that are not fire rated?


Furthermore, is it ok to install on the same containment a circuit with 30 mins fire survival time (eg fire alarms) along with a circuit of 1 or 2h fire survival time (eg disabled refuge)?


I was under the impression that the fire survival time of a circuit is based on its wickest component but this does not always seem to be the case since the cpc are installed in the same containment.


It would be appreciated if you could share your thoughts.
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  • Former Community Member
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    Well I guess BS 5839 is quite clear regarding "separate" and the commentary suggests that it's to prevent damage to fire systems (or emergency lighting systems) which may be caused by all and sundry playing around with the "other systems" sharing that containment.


    Sure, you see all kinds of attempts to "circumnavigate the requirements" by using a bit of space, by using a bit of a divider etc, but I would view all of those practices as "non compliant" with BS 5839 (or BS 7671).


    I would have less of an issue with a properly designed (and appropriately spaced) common containment "gallery" - typically ladder brackets (M10 drop rods and unistrut) on several levels, containing (say) Main LV power trays/ladders. Voice and data baskets. BMS or other EC&I containment, local small power and lighting containment, fire alarm containment etc


    I appreciate that isn't exactly how the commercial market sees things


    Regards


    OMS


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  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member
    Well I guess BS 5839 is quite clear regarding "separate" and the commentary suggests that it's to prevent damage to fire systems (or emergency lighting systems) which may be caused by all and sundry playing around with the "other systems" sharing that containment.


    Sure, you see all kinds of attempts to "circumnavigate the requirements" by using a bit of space, by using a bit of a divider etc, but I would view all of those practices as "non compliant" with BS 5839 (or BS 7671).


    I would have less of an issue with a properly designed (and appropriately spaced) common containment "gallery" - typically ladder brackets (M10 drop rods and unistrut) on several levels, containing (say) Main LV power trays/ladders. Voice and data baskets. BMS or other EC&I containment, local small power and lighting containment, fire alarm containment etc


    I appreciate that isn't exactly how the commercial market sees things


    Regards


    OMS


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