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Neon and LED 230V rope lights

One of my customers has asked for Neon rope lights to string round a garden path on ground level. 

Up till now I'd not really considered these and naively assumed that they would all be SELV. Not so. Turns out that many are 230V, commonly AFAICT with 2-wire (no CPC). Not only that, the connections are potentially "customer made" by shoving sharp prongs into the end and where they are cut (typically at 1M intervals) the live wires are shrouded with a push-on plastic cap. 

With glue and care I’m sure I might make a good job of it. Despite this, it immediately rings bells regarding 412.2.1.2. Even the basic insulation on the cut end is field-applied during erection. Makes me think that for the use cases often illustrated, damage is one problem and pull-off of ends another. Some suppliers seem to offer very rudimentary fittings with push-on ends. Others go to more lengths to ensure instructions (sleeving and adhesive) are followed.

Does the mind here have a view regarding these in general use? It seems to me that images of them as walk-on items along paths are a trifle irresponsible. Fitting onto an architectural thing more acceptable. I’m quite likely to suggest NOT for this customer.

My guess is that since they are a “luminaire”, not a “conductor”,  they maybe evade BS7671. The rope light not being defined as a single insulated cable “needing” CPC. If fitted anywhere conductive though, (example, wound round a metal garden chain, - a common use model), they might, to me, be classified as “Class 0”. Any thoughts?


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  • Arguably they need to be at least as good as a bayonet lampholder - as we already allow those out in the rain in festoons after all.

    I'd certainly be a bit wary of fitting either rope light or bayonet lamp holders in locations with children or drunk adults could fiddle with them - I have seen a number or ropelights where the mains insulation is not great, and end covers could easily be removed.


    There are certainly  12v or 24V versions available both rope and flat strip that are LED based, sometimes sold for ponds and tubs, but they are not really that common.

    Mike
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  • Arguably they need to be at least as good as a bayonet lampholder - as we already allow those out in the rain in festoons after all.

    I'd certainly be a bit wary of fitting either rope light or bayonet lamp holders in locations with children or drunk adults could fiddle with them - I have seen a number or ropelights where the mains insulation is not great, and end covers could easily be removed.


    There are certainly  12v or 24V versions available both rope and flat strip that are LED based, sometimes sold for ponds and tubs, but they are not really that common.

    Mike
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