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BS7671 or Wiring Regulations?

UKPN
There is a guy on here asking "what is the point of the wiring regulations?" He hasnt explained his question, so I would like to expand a little.

If you pass the City and Guilds exam, you are awarded a certificate titled "BS7671 Requirements for Electrical Installations" The term "Wiring Regulations" is not on the sheet.

However, I note that most job requirements ask for 2391/2396/18th Wiring Regulations. Virtually no one talks in the context of " BS7671"

I am wondering if members can give me an idea how the two terms are related, who makes the decisions on "regulations" and who is accountable for those decisions. I have noted errors/confusion on various posts these last few days caused by ambiguity in those regulations and it seems the person who should be protected by these regulations (the customer) is the last to be considered.

Ever the cynic, is the term "wiring regulations" retained  for sentimental reasons or just to sell the book?

Thanks in advance.


Regards, UKPNZap


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    AJJewsbury:
    Dutch of the Elm:

    Hi.  


    Bringing this back to PRS Regulations, what do people interpret to be the meaning of "electrical safety standards" then?  It seems unduly optimistic that a "BS 7671:2018" could actually mean BS 7671:2002 for example.  And the requirement for the installation to comply with "electrical safety standards," whatever the determined meaning be, relates to the installation, not just the test procedure.


    Should a tester feel secure in providing a clear EICR (i.e. with no C1s or C2s) for a rental property with an electrical installation that was erected to say, BS 7671:2002, and which is missing key features of later versions of BS 7671 such as a metal consumer unit, and (maybe) AFDDs? 


     


    The legislation is quite clear what it means at least on that point - "the standards for electrical installations in the eighteenth edition of the Wiring Regulations, published by the Institution of Engineering and Technology and the British Standards Institution as BS 7671: 2018" with a footnote that specifies the ISBN-13:978-1-78561-170-4 - so I don't see any wiggle room there at all.


    What's it's muddled up completely is whether the fundamental requirement is to pass an 18th EICR or actually meet every requirement of the 18th regulations - it says both yet we know they're fundamentally different. As it stands a it seems to me a landlord could get a satisfactory EICR and yet still be hauled up in court by a malicious tenant because the wiring had red & black cores.

      - Andy.




    I don't think it's that clear Andy.


    The requirement is for the landlord to ensure the installation meets BS 7671:2018, and, where an inspection shows that it might not meet BS 7671:2018, rectify the relevant defects.


    BUT


    There is nothing in the legislation that says the competent person needs to check for compliance with BS 7671;2018 ... that would therefore have to be a matter of contract between the person ordering the inspection and testing, and the competent person engaged to do the work.


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    AJJewsbury:
    Dutch of the Elm:

    Hi.  


    Bringing this back to PRS Regulations, what do people interpret to be the meaning of "electrical safety standards" then?  It seems unduly optimistic that a "BS 7671:2018" could actually mean BS 7671:2002 for example.  And the requirement for the installation to comply with "electrical safety standards," whatever the determined meaning be, relates to the installation, not just the test procedure.


    Should a tester feel secure in providing a clear EICR (i.e. with no C1s or C2s) for a rental property with an electrical installation that was erected to say, BS 7671:2002, and which is missing key features of later versions of BS 7671 such as a metal consumer unit, and (maybe) AFDDs? 


     


    The legislation is quite clear what it means at least on that point - "the standards for electrical installations in the eighteenth edition of the Wiring Regulations, published by the Institution of Engineering and Technology and the British Standards Institution as BS 7671: 2018" with a footnote that specifies the ISBN-13:978-1-78561-170-4 - so I don't see any wiggle room there at all.


    What's it's muddled up completely is whether the fundamental requirement is to pass an 18th EICR or actually meet every requirement of the 18th regulations - it says both yet we know they're fundamentally different. As it stands a it seems to me a landlord could get a satisfactory EICR and yet still be hauled up in court by a malicious tenant because the wiring had red & black cores.

      - Andy.




    I don't think it's that clear Andy.


    The requirement is for the landlord to ensure the installation meets BS 7671:2018, and, where an inspection shows that it might not meet BS 7671:2018, rectify the relevant defects.


    BUT


    There is nothing in the legislation that says the competent person needs to check for compliance with BS 7671;2018 ... that would therefore have to be a matter of contract between the person ordering the inspection and testing, and the competent person engaged to do the work.


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