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BS7671 or Wiring Regulations?

UKPN
There is a guy on here asking "what is the point of the wiring regulations?" He hasnt explained his question, so I would like to expand a little.

If you pass the City and Guilds exam, you are awarded a certificate titled "BS7671 Requirements for Electrical Installations" The term "Wiring Regulations" is not on the sheet.

However, I note that most job requirements ask for 2391/2396/18th Wiring Regulations. Virtually no one talks in the context of " BS7671"

I am wondering if members can give me an idea how the two terms are related, who makes the decisions on "regulations" and who is accountable for those decisions. I have noted errors/confusion on various posts these last few days caused by ambiguity in those regulations and it seems the person who should be protected by these regulations (the customer) is the last to be considered.

Ever the cynic, is the term "wiring regulations" retained  for sentimental reasons or just to sell the book?

Thanks in advance.


Regards, UKPNZap


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    AJJewsbury:
    ...As it stands a it seems to me a landlord could get a satisfactory EICR and yet still be hauled up in court by a malicious tenant because the wiring had red & black cores.

      - Andy.



    I agree with Graham, the sanctions available in the rental law are a fine levied by the council on the Landlord of up to £30K, the appeal process is heard at a first tier tribunal which can vary the amount of fine but not exceeding the £30K limit. So not exactly "hauled up in court" as would possibly be the case with a breach of ESQCR. The landlord could try and sue the contractor, and their professional indemnity insurance might pay out. 

    Good question though UKPN, with some good answers

    Edit; looking at ESQCR offenses;"



    Offences



    35.  Any generator, distributor, supplier, or meter operator or any agent, contractor or sub-contractor of any of the foregoing who fails to comply with any provision of these Regulations which applies to him, any person who fails to comply with regulation 18(3), 21, 22 or 25(1) and any consumer who fails to comply with regulation 8(4) or 34(2) shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale."

    Level 5 is at £5000 according to Criminal Justice Act 1982 (legislation.gov.uk) but you would i assume also have a criminal record if convicted. Note 21 and 22 are mentioned and can be any person, not just the landlord.


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    AJJewsbury:
    ...As it stands a it seems to me a landlord could get a satisfactory EICR and yet still be hauled up in court by a malicious tenant because the wiring had red & black cores.

      - Andy.



    I agree with Graham, the sanctions available in the rental law are a fine levied by the council on the Landlord of up to £30K, the appeal process is heard at a first tier tribunal which can vary the amount of fine but not exceeding the £30K limit. So not exactly "hauled up in court" as would possibly be the case with a breach of ESQCR. The landlord could try and sue the contractor, and their professional indemnity insurance might pay out. 

    Good question though UKPN, with some good answers

    Edit; looking at ESQCR offenses;"



    Offences



    35.  Any generator, distributor, supplier, or meter operator or any agent, contractor or sub-contractor of any of the foregoing who fails to comply with any provision of these Regulations which applies to him, any person who fails to comply with regulation 18(3), 21, 22 or 25(1) and any consumer who fails to comply with regulation 8(4) or 34(2) shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale."

    Level 5 is at £5000 according to Criminal Justice Act 1982 (legislation.gov.uk) but you would i assume also have a criminal record if convicted. Note 21 and 22 are mentioned and can be any person, not just the landlord.


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