Oven & hob on 13amp fused spur

davezawadi (David Stone):

I will now set the cat amongst the pigeons.


You are doing an EICR, is anyone going to code any of the suggestions above?

Let's see...

FI ... ?


I can't say I disagree that the current situation can make it very hard for those carrying out EICRs.


For example, I know there are installs of commercial laundry machines, where additional earthing (due to high protective conductor current) is required, and not provided. That's a potential breach of Electricity at Work Regulations (earthing not adequate) if there's a problem with the primary cpc. Yet, how would an electrical inspector know? Or the Duty Holder for that matter?


But, how is that any different to portable appliance testing that fails equipment just because the person employed to do the inspection and testing isn't aware of the design of a particular appliance - I've seen that lots too. Or the company who decided to change all the fuses in the BS 1363 plugs on monitors in the office I was working in from 13 A to 3 A based on power on the rating plate - within a week, most of the 3 A fuses had blown due to inrush !



However, the current situation is, that if a product comes without a pre-fitted "standard plug", you can't make assumptions about whether it's OK to use a particular protective device, as with this gas hob - if it came without a plug, and the manufacturer's instructions state a particular rating of protective device, that's what it is, which for UK market might be a 3 A fuse ... or it might easily also be a 1 A fuse in the FCU !


Not a good situation, but an issue for product standards ... and many of them say something similar in this regard.

davezawadi (David Stone):

I will now set the cat amongst the pigeons.


You are doing an EICR, is anyone going to code any of the suggestions above?

Let's see...

FI ... ?


I can't say I disagree that the current situation can make it very hard for those carrying out EICRs.


For example, I know there are installs of commercial laundry machines, where additional earthing (due to high protective conductor current) is required, and not provided. That's a potential breach of Electricity at Work Regulations (earthing not adequate) if there's a problem with the primary cpc. Yet, how would an electrical inspector know? Or the Duty Holder for that matter?


But, how is that any different to portable appliance testing that fails equipment just because the person employed to do the inspection and testing isn't aware of the design of a particular appliance - I've seen that lots too. Or the company who decided to change all the fuses in the BS 1363 plugs on monitors in the office I was working in from 13 A to 3 A based on power on the rating plate - within a week, most of the 3 A fuses had blown due to inrush !



However, the current situation is, that if a product comes without a pre-fitted "standard plug", you can't make assumptions about whether it's OK to use a particular protective device, as with this gas hob - if it came without a plug, and the manufacturer's instructions state a particular rating of protective device, that's what it is, which for UK market might be a 3 A fuse ... or it might easily also be a 1 A fuse in the FCU !


Not a good situation, but an issue for product standards ... and many of them say something similar in this regard.