Part P third party

I assume you're talking about a situation where notifiable work has been done by someone who is not part of a self-certification scheme. In that case the certification can either be done by a third party electrician assuming they're a member of scheme where they're qualified to do 3rd party certifications, or you have to get the LA to certify it. What the LA does is up to themselves, but in some fashion they have to satisfy themselves that the work satisfies part P. This might involve them sending round an electrician who will do the final test & inspect and issuing of EIC. Or if the person doing the work can convince the LA that they are competent (although not a scheme member), the LA might allow them to just submit their own EIC along with a few photos, perhaps at a reduced fee.

In this case the notifiable work was completed by someone who is not part of a self certification scheme. When completed he got someone else to sign the EIC, this someone else is, I believe, a third party electrician. Is it sufficient for that third party electrician to look at the test results and believe that the original electrician did a good job based on trust or does the third party electrician (who signed) have to actually test/inspect himself?


Hope that made sense, I understand the Local Authority position now, thanks for that clarification. Is it just the same for the third party electrician, ie up to him how he convinces himself that a professional job was done to BS7671. My assumption was that he needs to do an actual test and inspection but perhaps not.

My assumption was that he needs to do an actual test and inspection but perhaps not.


I would suggest that it's back to the "risk/reward" that the third party electrician is prepared to take on and be able to justify should there be an event that occurred due to incorrect electrician 1 work. So long as the Authority has a piece of paper that is from a perceived credible body, they can grip the bar and say "what else could we have reasonably expected to do?" and it gets dumped back onto the signatory,,,,,,,,,,,,


Regards


BOD

A 3rd Party Verifier has to be appointed before the work starts. They then have to inspect the 1st fix and point out any non-compliances for rectification.


On completion they have to inspect and test the installation and issue a special certificate and notify the LA. I drafted the special certificate for Stroma Certification. There is special dispensation for these 3rd Party Verifiers in respect of liability. I cannot remember the exact details but liability remains with the installer.


3rd Part Verifiers  have to have a current Regs. qualification and a Level 3 inspect Qualification and PI insurance and be assessed to do the job.


Only NAPIT run this scheme now with the demise of Stroma. ?

There is special dispensation for these 3rd Party Verifiers in respect of liability. I cannot remember the exact details but liability remains with the installer.

3rd Part Verifiers  have to have a current Regs. qualification and a Level 3 inspect Qualification and PI insurance and be assessed to do the job.


Conflicting risk requirement status?


Regards


BOD

In this case the notifiable work was completed by someone who is not part of a self certification scheme. When completed he got someone else to sign the EIC, this someone else is, I believe, a third party electrician.


If the work is 'notifiable work' under part P (new circuits, new consumer unit, or within 60cm of a bath or shower) then this is not how it is supposed to work.


If the chap who is registered was employing the other it is OK, as then it is the same legal entity responsible, as if he was the supervisor of a team. Now, perhaps, if they have some private arrangement that is  equivalent, it could be similar, but it is on thin ice. (but I suspect a common situation.)

So either the work is all adopted by the new chap, as if it was his  own, or it needs to be regularised by the local authority.

Regularisation is the process for things like if you build a house and miss out the bit where you phone building control to come and look at the foundations. In the same way they may insist on digging beside the foundations to see, or not, depending if they have reason to assume they are being diddled or it is genuine, they may or may not insist on an intrusive inspection of the electrics. I think round here in general they are likely to be happy enough with someone who can produce a credible audit trail and has sensible looking  design specs for cable sizes and so on and can produce test results, your area may vary.

Mike.

What-ifs aside, the reality is that a EIC or a EICR is really only valid on the day it was completed - after that all bets are off. I use a 3rd party to notify my work where applicable. I do all of the install, I&T and paperwork, the the 3rd party copies this across onto his paperwork and notifies through his scheme. As he says, it's only good until someone else comes along and modifies/adds to the installation in some way.

In terms of missing paperwork etc holding up a house sale, no chance - all the seller has to do is take out a cheap indemnity insurance policy to cover any future defects which may arise but which are not covered by paperwork because it has been lost or missing. Conveyance solicitors will advise upon which policies are the ones to go for in the even that something like that gas boiler certificate is lost or missing and the prospective buyer wants cover for the boiler. Such policies can be had for as little as £30, which is of course much cheaper than a full pre-purchase ECIR etc.

That is helpful, thanks?