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Part P third party

Re Part P Certification. Does a third party have to physically test an installation himself or is it sufficient to trust the test evidence of the electrician that did the work. I have been asked this by a neighbour and whilst I once knew the wiring regs I am no longer up to date (and not practicing). Thanks
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  • quite a few electricians are likely to need more qualifications, but that has not been a problem for the Gas industry, although it may have pushed up prices somewhat. How do you all feel about that?



    Well I'd suggest before we leap onto that one we really should take a deep breath and double check if the Corgi and then Gas Safe register approach is actually making things significantly safer, or just more expensive.

    I must say, that when part P was coming in I looked at this, and certainly then, in 2004, it was not at all clear how much of the slow decline in CO poisonings per year  (explosions make the news but really they are not the main gas related danger ) was the result of the CORGI scheme as it was then, and how much was actually just improved product standards and the slow replacement of ancient open flue water heaters and so on.

    Headline figures are not so much different
    then

    and
    now - scroll down to the 'Ridgas' tables ~(an 'excel' sheet).

    By 2020 CO fatalities are indeed a lot lower than the early 2000s, and that in turn is better than the 1970s, how much of that is down to the registration and so forth is hard to tell, but there is no kink in the figures from 1989-1990 onwards when CORGI came in.

    I would need to dig up my copy of HSC/E's Fundamental review of gas safety (from about 2001)   and associated figures for a better analysis, but certainly I do recall there was not a clear cut benefit (by then the scheme had been running for over 10 years, so there really should have been.)

    (and at that time you could do a partial correction  using  Eire as a place without a Corgi-like scheme, but presumably with a similar update rate of old gas appliances to new ones , though a smaller number of them)


    M.
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  • quite a few electricians are likely to need more qualifications, but that has not been a problem for the Gas industry, although it may have pushed up prices somewhat. How do you all feel about that?



    Well I'd suggest before we leap onto that one we really should take a deep breath and double check if the Corgi and then Gas Safe register approach is actually making things significantly safer, or just more expensive.

    I must say, that when part P was coming in I looked at this, and certainly then, in 2004, it was not at all clear how much of the slow decline in CO poisonings per year  (explosions make the news but really they are not the main gas related danger ) was the result of the CORGI scheme as it was then, and how much was actually just improved product standards and the slow replacement of ancient open flue water heaters and so on.

    Headline figures are not so much different
    then

    and
    now - scroll down to the 'Ridgas' tables ~(an 'excel' sheet).

    By 2020 CO fatalities are indeed a lot lower than the early 2000s, and that in turn is better than the 1970s, how much of that is down to the registration and so forth is hard to tell, but there is no kink in the figures from 1989-1990 onwards when CORGI came in.

    I would need to dig up my copy of HSC/E's Fundamental review of gas safety (from about 2001)   and associated figures for a better analysis, but certainly I do recall there was not a clear cut benefit (by then the scheme had been running for over 10 years, so there really should have been.)

    (and at that time you could do a partial correction  using  Eire as a place without a Corgi-like scheme, but presumably with a similar update rate of old gas appliances to new ones , though a smaller number of them)


    M.
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