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Induction Hob again

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I hope that you don’t find me impudent but I am having difficulty finding an electrician to explain why they will not install the induction hob and double oven that we are looking to fit in our new kitchen.
We have chosen a hob 7.4 kW and oven 6.3 kW. The cooker radial circuit has 6mm2 cable with 40A MCB. The run is some 12 m. The house was built (converted) in 2002 and inspected last year (DPN18C). We cannot run an extra cable because the CU is separated from the kitchen without a horizontal floor or roof space and presumably runs the existing cable through the stud walls.
The kitchen fitting company electrician has visited but won’t carry out the work unless we sign an indemnity as it would invalidate our insurance and the appliance guarantee. He suggested instead two plug-in ovens which we could add to the ring main. I have contacted four other local electricians but they all use 13.7 kW means 59.7 A which means 10 mm cable and ignore my request to consider diversity.
Should I give up and accept the two oven solution or perhaps a gas oven?
Do you know of a way of finding someone who understands diversity?
Am I simply wrong?

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  • Induction hobs are not any different as far as loading goes. I would point out to John that all multiple socket circuits do size the cable based on diversity (in that the total load is completely unknown, but often if all the sockets are fully loaded could be many times the breaker rating). In the case of fixed appliances, this is slightly less common but not prohibited. In the case of hobs and cookers there is a huge diversity effect from the thermostatic temperature control, and whilst in this case, it may be possible to trip a 40A breaker this would take a considerable period. Induction hobs take power in response to the size of the pan and the temperature set, so several 'rings' at full power for long is unlikely, as is the oven being on maximum for more than 5-10 minutes. I think that trips are pretty unlikely. I suppose a 10mm cable and 50A breaker is possible, but not worthwhile unless your cook is unusual in the methods (turn everything on at once with a full complement of large pans of cold water!). If you find the slight risk of the occasional trip using the above method, I suggest that one cable as described is adequate, unless your wall is stuffed with insulation. As you appear to have no cable route, fitting an extra cable is either via an outside route, or impossible so you will have to go with one anyway. It would take somewhere around an hour to trip with full load continuously, this would be extremely difficult to achieve with the appliances you have specified. I would have no difficulty with this arrangement, even in a commercial kitchen.
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  • Induction hobs are not any different as far as loading goes. I would point out to John that all multiple socket circuits do size the cable based on diversity (in that the total load is completely unknown, but often if all the sockets are fully loaded could be many times the breaker rating). In the case of fixed appliances, this is slightly less common but not prohibited. In the case of hobs and cookers there is a huge diversity effect from the thermostatic temperature control, and whilst in this case, it may be possible to trip a 40A breaker this would take a considerable period. Induction hobs take power in response to the size of the pan and the temperature set, so several 'rings' at full power for long is unlikely, as is the oven being on maximum for more than 5-10 minutes. I think that trips are pretty unlikely. I suppose a 10mm cable and 50A breaker is possible, but not worthwhile unless your cook is unusual in the methods (turn everything on at once with a full complement of large pans of cold water!). If you find the slight risk of the occasional trip using the above method, I suggest that one cable as described is adequate, unless your wall is stuffed with insulation. As you appear to have no cable route, fitting an extra cable is either via an outside route, or impossible so you will have to go with one anyway. It would take somewhere around an hour to trip with full load continuously, this would be extremely difficult to achieve with the appliances you have specified. I would have no difficulty with this arrangement, even in a commercial kitchen.
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