EICR failed missing trunking?

To sum up, it’s ####, stop moaning.

If this was the only point then yes clip it back up, it’s a C3 and anyone can easily fix it. I expect there’s an endless list of C2s in this case. The most disappointing part is the high number of NICIC approved firms producing these reports with what appears to be complete lack of knowledge.

"The most disappointing part is the high number of NICIC approved firms producing these reports with what appears to be complete lack of knowledge. "


Sorry I must disagree.


It`s not a high number , it`s the vast majority of them!

How anyone who is qualified to a suitable standard to do and EICR can C2 that is beyond me. Alright all the lips have broke, but its clearly not above a doorway, and if it did fall, the shelf bracket would catch it anyway. C3 at the most, where is the the potential danger in this picture caused by that cable? Just another example of job creation that EICR's are being used for. To me, EICR's are not about safety anymore, its all about job creation from vulnerable or ill-informed customers

I have just shown that photo to my wife.


She says although she is not an electrician she can see it is potentially dangerous and there’s no way it’s acceptable.


There are five broken clips and the cable is not secured to the wall in any way whatsoever,it is merely hooked over one of the broken clips.


It obviously does not go into fitting that is secured to the wall at the bottom of the photo, because the cable is several inches away from the wall, so the cable either goes on down at a height where bikes, garden tools and other stored items could be leaning on it or there is a broken fitting dangling on the end of it.


Whoever failed to maintain this installation in a safe condition should not be surprised that it has has been classified as unsafe to use.


 It is obviously a potential entanglement issue just to someone putting their bike away in the shed, they could catch it with the handle bars!


What do you think the GasSafe inspector would say if that was a length of gas pipe? Oh, it’s okay it will hold itself up?

I`ll not argue with what Sparkingchip has said. Yes I agree that we can`t rule out a C2 because we can`t see the state of the rest of it and know indeed at what height it`s at , where we can see it then it is not good at all. does it need protection and is any of it sufficiently secure as to not encourage a pull out or a tanglement?. We need to see the rest of it and some scale in order to determine included it`s intended use and it`s actual position comparted to the user.


The OPs description of "missing trunking" and the OPs statement that it is "clipped" eludes to a C3 possibility at this stage.


Can we have a complete picture please and a known object next to it (a tape rule to give us height scale might help)


Unsecure cable and/or unprotected cables may or may not be the faults.

Missing trunking is not a fault but it could be one remedy to it all .

I am with Sparkingchip on this one. If this cable connects to a socket then since mechanical damage has already occurred, evidenced by the broken cable clips, I would also give a Code 2. 

So according to some comments, that makes me fraudulent and incompetent. So much for 40 years experience at the coal face, over 30 years teaching on various electrical courses and a brace of relevant qualifications, including NEBOSH risk management. Ah well, every day is a learning day! 

However, in the meantime I will continue to evaluate the risk as I see it using well established principles of risk assessment and I shall not fear the armchair generals heckling in the background!

LV cables, with solid conductors, not supported adequately throughout their run BS7671:2018:Amd.1. Regulations 552.8.4, 552.8.5 and 521.10.202 Code C2.


Wiring system susceptible to external influences which may lead to potential danger, throughout its normal operation, due to poor workmanship and sub-standard installation practices. BS7671:2018:Amd.1. Regulation 134.1 Code C2.


Wiring system not adequately protected against mechanical stress e.g. by impact, abrasion, penetration, tension or compression during use. BS7671:2018:Amd.1. Regulations 552.6.1 and 552.6.2 Code C2.

The O.P says that the shed cable is not on an escape route. If the shed  caught fire then water would be sprayed on it from outside, or it would be allowed to just burn to the ground. It is a shed not the Albert Hall. And...... a dozen new cable clips should fix the problem, or a metal cup hook to prevent "premature collapse."


Z.

I am going to point something out Andy. Your exaggerated view of danger is ridiculous, "someone could get entangled putting their bike away". This is not the reason why we have the cable fixing regulation to be fire resistant, it is premature collapse In the case of FIRE. It is not that someone could become trapped and consequently burned to death (you have to be joking) putting their bike away. The cable could be inconvenient but nothing more. Stop trying to justify unreasonable coding of a defect, or perhaps that is your own "Modus Operandi"? No one here likes it but C3 is fair to the customer. He then knows it should be fixed, and may well call at Screwfix, but most of the good inspectors would fix minor snags anyway (after pointing them out to the customer) in exactly the same way that no Garage would not change a failed bulb if they wanted any kind of repeat custom. Would you leave a loose connection and just code it C2, or would you tighten it?


I was asked why I am collecting data on duff EICRs, the reason is that I serve on a committee that is aware of the qualification deficit for EICRs and is in a position to make some progress in improving the problem. All changes to anything need a solid case for change, and it tends to be a long process but is (unlike handjob) really driven by supporting data. We need to fully understand the problem and as far as possible see why it is happening. It is not a case of any member's opinion, but of proof. Thanks to all those who have sent me EICRs and particularly those who have provided supporting photos and information.


Kind regards

David