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Question about Who can do what and minor works certs

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I have a couple of questions regarding small electrical works in a house, who can do them and whether a minor works cert is needed.

 

im trying to nail down an answer to the following. 


i) Can a plumber / non-electrician  replace a broken immersion heater in a water cylinder. i.e. unwire old one from the fused spur and wire in new one to fused spur? Is an qualified electrician needed? Is a minor works cert needed?


ii) With regard to replacing a like for like electric shower in a bathroom that has broken….can a plumber / non-electrician do this? Or is a plumber needed for wet part and electrician for electric side. Again, is a minor works certificate needed.


iii) With regard to replacement of a central heating component such as a zone valve or cylinder stat….is a minor works cert needed ? Can this work be undertaken by a plumber / non-electrician?


I’m trying to work out what plumbing works can be undertaken by anyone / a non-electrician and what works require both trades.


in the plumbing / heating trade there is cross over. 


Many thanks for your time
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    What is proof that you know that your work is to bs7671? 

    None - the person doing the works has to be trusted, but to be fair, that is true of anyone, regardless of a string of qualifications or if they have a nice logo on the van or not.

    However, if later it turns out that somehow they did not work to a safe standard, and there is some terrible unintended consequence then in all the usual sales of services and fraud sort of way, they may find themselves on the receiving end of a court summons. It must be said that is mercifully rare, and normally folk just get an angry customer asking them to come and fix it..

    The only other way is to employ two people, one to do the work and another to inspect, and larger companies may be set up that way, but it is not practical for sole traders.

    is the la or anyone else said prove to us that you know how to work to that standard how can it be evidenced

    I assume you meant ~If the LA or .

    They may want to discuss your qualifications or experience over the 'phone, they may be happy with your word for it, or prefer a copy of certificates etc,  or they may ( especially if their cowboy builder detector is already flashing and beeping **) insist that you (customer or contractor, not them) pay for a third party, agreed by both of you,  to come and take it to bits and inspect it, much as is done for a regularisation inspection.

    However this process is only triggered if  they are involved, and for running repairs of the kind you envisage, they never are.


    Regards Mike.


    ** They do not really have a 'cowboy builder' detector like that of course, but they pretty much behave as if they do.  I know for sure that certain names cause a collective groan at the office of our local Building Control inspectors  and they more or less draw lots for the short straw for the site visits, as they know there will be lots more visits and lots  of grief .

    Other builders they know they scarcely need to come out, except  for the mug of tea and the guided tour at the end,  as they can trusted to play by the rules anyway.



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    What is proof that you know that your work is to bs7671? 

    None - the person doing the works has to be trusted, but to be fair, that is true of anyone, regardless of a string of qualifications or if they have a nice logo on the van or not.

    However, if later it turns out that somehow they did not work to a safe standard, and there is some terrible unintended consequence then in all the usual sales of services and fraud sort of way, they may find themselves on the receiving end of a court summons. It must be said that is mercifully rare, and normally folk just get an angry customer asking them to come and fix it..

    The only other way is to employ two people, one to do the work and another to inspect, and larger companies may be set up that way, but it is not practical for sole traders.

    is the la or anyone else said prove to us that you know how to work to that standard how can it be evidenced

    I assume you meant ~If the LA or .

    They may want to discuss your qualifications or experience over the 'phone, they may be happy with your word for it, or prefer a copy of certificates etc,  or they may ( especially if their cowboy builder detector is already flashing and beeping **) insist that you (customer or contractor, not them) pay for a third party, agreed by both of you,  to come and take it to bits and inspect it, much as is done for a regularisation inspection.

    However this process is only triggered if  they are involved, and for running repairs of the kind you envisage, they never are.


    Regards Mike.


    ** They do not really have a 'cowboy builder' detector like that of course, but they pretty much behave as if they do.  I know for sure that certain names cause a collective groan at the office of our local Building Control inspectors  and they more or less draw lots for the short straw for the site visits, as they know there will be lots more visits and lots  of grief .

    Other builders they know they scarcely need to come out, except  for the mug of tea and the guided tour at the end,  as they can trusted to play by the rules anyway.



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