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Exterior armoured cable

Former Community Member
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I need to run an outside armoured cable to a pond pump. I will install all the necessary protection devices. My question is can the cable be laid loose on the ground between trees or attached to the trees. I dont really want to dig a trench all the way over a 40metre run. Thanks
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    Lawrie:

    I need to run an outside armoured cable to a pond pump. I will install all the necessary protection devices. My question is can the cable be laid loose on the ground between trees or attached to the trees. I dont really want to dig a trench all the way over a 40metre run. Thanks


    Hi Laurie, welcome to the forum :) 


    Is this a domestic or commercial installation, and is a new circuit you are installing or an extension of an existing circuit?


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    It’s a domestic installation and the cable will come off an existing rcd and a new mcb. It’s a TT supply
  • Hmm. SWA can be laid surface, indeed it may be safer than shallow burial in a flower bed for example.

    It does not mean it is always a good idea - rather depends on chance of rodent damage or gardeners strimmers.

    If it is not permanent, note that pop festivals and film sets leave miles of soft skinned cable  (usually rubber) around the place and apart from the odd RCD trip, it is surprisingly safe.


    You can go overhead, either in SWA or in something lighter,  note that long spans (more than ~ 10m for 2.5mm 3 core )need a support wire, and anything in trees needs allowance for the tree to both move and to grow, so more 'droop' than you may imagine.

    It is also possible to plant vertical scaff poles between  trees and catenary between them.

    Probably a bit more info about the situation will help the decision process.

    Mike.
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    I havnt got any more information but it would have to be a permanent installation. There are trees along the route so your suggestion of suspending it and leaving sag would work. Do you think this solution would meet regulations. Thanks
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    Lawrie:

    It’s a domestic installation and the cable will come off an existing rcd and a new mcb. It’s a TT supply 


    Thanks for the reply, are you able to post pics of the intended route? 


  • Lawrie:

    I need to run an outside armoured cable to a pond pump. I will install all the necessary protection devices. My question is can the cable be laid loose on the ground between trees or attached to the trees. I dont really want to dig a trench all the way over a 40metre run. Thanks


    All pond pumps will eventually leak water into their internals and trip off a protecting R.C.D. even if not in use but still connected. (N-E fault). A double pole switch is best to prevent this happening. This fault can in certain circumstances trip off other circuits in a house which can be a nuisance or cause loss if freezers run back. A dedicated circuit for the pond pump is best, being completely separate from other circuits and not being supplied via an R.C.D. that protects other circuits such as in a split load consumer unit. Connecting to a ring final circuit is not a good idea.


    An extra low Voltage pump run through a mains  isolating transformer removes the risk of nuisance tripping of a house R.C.D. and is safer than using a 240 Volt pump.

    Z.


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    Yes I understand. I was considering putting a separate consumer unit with its own rcd and mcb. I should have mentioned that the cable at the one end will terminate in an isolation switch mounted on a post and from where the pond pump cable will connect. Thanks
  • Personally I think it is a bad idea to leave it on the surface. I fixed the major issues on a very poorly installed garden lighting installation where SWA had been laid on the surface of flower beds. After two years it was buried about 1" under the surface ready to catch out any unwary gardener and of course no marker tape. I had to leave it there as that was the least of the problems that needed fixing.
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    I dont really want to dig a trench all the way over a 40metre run. Thanks


    I'd put that bit back to the client to do, and ideally bury a duct for you to pull the SWA through afterwards .and note that aspect of duct installation and warning tape by client name on your EICR.


    If laid on surface, how would others code this on an EICR? Remember the discussion when SWA cleated to fence?


    Regards


    BaD


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    on your EICR


    Whoops, EIC.


    Regards


    BAD BOD