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Physics going on in a transformer

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I’m trying to get a better understanding of the physics going on in a UK site transformer, those that reduce the UK mains voltage to 110V.



I’m fully aware of the basic operating principles of a transformer and the basic Power in equals V*I . Power out is the same as power in and induced voltage is given by Faradays law dependent upon the number of turns, and changing magnetic flux with time. With these we can work back from a load to determine the current draw from the secondary side of a transformer.



What I would like clarified is, depending upon the varying load on the secondary side, what at different loads is happening to the magnetic field strength in the core and the power in the primary side.



For example when I have a 1800W tool connected to my 3.3Kva 110V transformer and the power is on in the primary side but the load tool is not switched on. Obviously there is current flowing in the primary coil since there are no switches on these transformers apart from the socket switch. This will create a magnetic field which will induce an emf on the secondary windings.



If there is no load on the secondary side, is the magnetic field strength in the core and the power in the primary at its maximum even with no load on the secondary?



Or is primary input current much lower in comparison to what it could be if the transformer secondary is loaded to its maximum current output? Does putting a load on the secondary cause a feedback through the magnetic field resulting in the current increasing in the primary, hence increasing the magnetic field?



Thanks


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  • I think the suggestion made by Mike that the magnetic field strength is constant is slightly misleading, I am sure not deliberately but it leads from another phenomenen which is usually not mentioned in textbooks. I will attempt to explain it. Imagine you have a toroidial core, with a winding spaced from another on the opposite side of the toroid. Imagine the energy flow between the windings, the magnetic field in the core carries this energy from one side to the other. Loading MUST increase this magnetic field energy transfer, and it does, and causes increased losses. But this may be imagined in the second winding reducing the magnetic field in the same way as the primary winding increases it. However magnetic circuits do not work quite like that, and that is why practical transformers have the secondary winding wound on top of the primary winding, but still with a complete magnetic circuit (the core in a loop). Magnetism in this toroidial confguration has "resistance" and loss, but if the same piece of magnetic material has both the primary gain and secondary loss in the same place it is very efficient. One still needs the core to work, but the whole arrangement and "magnetic circuit" is not quite as often described. There are many things about magnetism (and electricity) which we do not fully understand, whatever you read in "text books", these are usually just restatements of that which is written elsewhere. The important thing is to keep an open mind and think about the problem, it may well not be quite as others describe. but consider things like energy flow above. The idea that a coupled winding reduces the magnetid field is somewhat counter intuitive, but if you think about it inductors of all kinds have slightly strange energy flows, think about "back EMF" in energy terms and it is obvious that the magnetic field energy must go somewhere when the magnetising current stops!


    David CEng etc.
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  • I think the suggestion made by Mike that the magnetic field strength is constant is slightly misleading, I am sure not deliberately but it leads from another phenomenen which is usually not mentioned in textbooks. I will attempt to explain it. Imagine you have a toroidial core, with a winding spaced from another on the opposite side of the toroid. Imagine the energy flow between the windings, the magnetic field in the core carries this energy from one side to the other. Loading MUST increase this magnetic field energy transfer, and it does, and causes increased losses. But this may be imagined in the second winding reducing the magnetic field in the same way as the primary winding increases it. However magnetic circuits do not work quite like that, and that is why practical transformers have the secondary winding wound on top of the primary winding, but still with a complete magnetic circuit (the core in a loop). Magnetism in this toroidial confguration has "resistance" and loss, but if the same piece of magnetic material has both the primary gain and secondary loss in the same place it is very efficient. One still needs the core to work, but the whole arrangement and "magnetic circuit" is not quite as often described. There are many things about magnetism (and electricity) which we do not fully understand, whatever you read in "text books", these are usually just restatements of that which is written elsewhere. The important thing is to keep an open mind and think about the problem, it may well not be quite as others describe. but consider things like energy flow above. The idea that a coupled winding reduces the magnetid field is somewhat counter intuitive, but if you think about it inductors of all kinds have slightly strange energy flows, think about "back EMF" in energy terms and it is obvious that the magnetic field energy must go somewhere when the magnetising current stops!


    David CEng etc.
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