davezawadi (David Stone):

It is normally considered that a quotation is a contracted price. If you buy a new car, and you are quoted a price to compare with elsewhere do you expect to be charged more when you say yes? Certainly not.

Dave, yes I used to think that but "supposedly" better knowledgeable legals than me have expressed the point to me.

In the real world I always give "estimates" but treat them as what you and me would think as what a "quotation" should mean.

Exception being for council contracts etc when they ask for "Fixed price works" or similar wording.

JoeB:

Me letting agent appointed a local electrical firm to conduct an EICR report on my flat before new tenants moved in. The timescale was tight since the new tenants were due to move in on the 1st Feb.



 

1. Your letting agent may be in cahoots the noo, discuss the case with them/consider a change.

2. Don't pay the bill.. 

3. If the firm is registered with NAPIT or the NICEIC etc..... register a written complaint.

4. Register a complaint to Trading Standards.

6. Let the contractor take you to the small claims court ........ as if !

7. Take plenty of photos. 


Jaymack

 

Jaymack:

JoeB:

Me letting agent appointed a local electrical firm to conduct an EICR report on my flat before new tenants moved in. The timescale was tight since the new tenants were due to move in on the 1st Feb.



 

1. Your letting agent may be in cahoots the noo, discuss the case with them/consider a change.

2. Don't pay the bill.. 

3. If the firm is registered with NAPIT or the NICEIC etc..... register a written complaint.

4. Register a complaint to Trading Standards.

6. Let the contractor take you to the small claims court ........ as if !

7. Take plenty of photos. 


Jaymack

 

I've shouted very loudly (literally!) at the agent about this electrician so I think they understand my position. 

I've used the agent for many years for multiple properties but on the two occasions they've arranged electricians for me they've used the same firm who ripped me off both times

As the old saying goes,  "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice - see you in court" (or words to that effect) and it wont end well for them... 















 

If that was the case then it would never had got passed building control when first built?

AJJewsbury:

Humm - that supply looks suspiciously like it might be CNE to the head (alternatively it might be split-con with L & N in one leg of the trouser and PE in the other, but I'm not convinced). CNE within a building isn't what the DNOs like to do these days (especially as they usually pass the buck to a fictional BNO) but was common enough a few years ago. The original design might then  have considered the block to consist of mutiple distinct installations with separate DNO supplies for each flat - and hence would have required main bonding (if necessary) within each flat (like a terrace of houses). If the water pipe is in contact with class I equipment in another installation (e.g. the pump - presumably on the landlord's supply) then it would be classed as an extraneous-conductive-part as far as the flat was concerned (even if the water originally came out of the ground in plastic). Just a thought...

I fully understand the concept that each flat could be considered to be an independent installation like a terrace of houses, but isn't the risk the loss of neutral in a PME supply? Is that a realistic possibility in a modern (and small) block of flats as opposed to a terrace of Victorian cottages?


I can see that if a common water supply branches out to each flat, then the situation is like the terrace, but if the water supplies are independent, I struggle to see how they could amount to extraneous-conductive-parts.


If the water is pumped to each flat, the copper pipes, which are in contact with the pumps, could be exposed conductive parts and simply require that the pumps are earthed.

ebee:

Agreed, years ago I pointed that one out to IEE as it was then. I suggested that if I had a bath on extended legs (not impossible) then heights for zones should be referenced from bath floor level rather than the floor the bath was sat on. But my point was not taken and room floor level won.

PS if a fan is mounted on or below the ceiling then the height is to the bit of fan you can touch, not the ceiling its mounted under I would think

I think that a plastic cased ceiling mounted extractor fan poses a very slight shock risk. The live parts are buried deep inside the fan casing and can't be touched. The fans are designed to extract steamy air. If the fan was all metal, and the user was standing in an earthed metal bath and the user touched the fan casing, and the fan casing was live, and the fan was not R.C.D. protected, then the risks may be high. But in reality baths these days are normally served by non conducting plastic pipes, and are made of non conducting materials, unlike years ago when baths may be made of cast iron and served by dodgy metal pipework. The regs. need updating to take modern changes into account. Modern shower trays are mostly non conducting and are safer. 


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